Is GGG An Alltime Great?

Nope, wasted his youth fighting no one, resume is weak, never moved up despite constant talk of ko'ing cruisers & HW's in sparring. Did diddly squat to get out of his comfort zone when legacy fights such as Ward were possible. Now he's left semi washed up & questionable. Good fighter, didn't dare to be great. Canelo his biggest fight was still someone that came up from lower weights and G cubed didn't win any of them officially.

 

I think you may be right. I think he's a good win but for sure the fact that he was a smaller guy going up to middleweight detracts somewhat from the shine, just as it does from Hopkins' win over Trinidad etc.

 

Ward was the guy that declined to face Golovkin

 

In the first two fights , Canelo outlanded him on power punches. Thats a variety of clean hooks , uppercuts and right hands. Judges like clean effective hitting and variation.
Backed up using his stiff jab to suppress Canelos attacks. He shelled up. Maidana came within a hair of victory against Mayweather because he fought out of his skin. I scored it a draw actually. Golovkin had to fight like Maidana did, but he's just not cut from that cloth.
He only opened up on guys who were woefully undermatched.

 

From what I remember, Golovkin didn't want to move to 168, there was talk of a catch weight that never happened. Ward wasn't going to come to to 160 where he hadn't been. It was up to GGG if he was chasing greatness, he didn't do it.

 

Golovkin was pissed at having to share half the prize money when Ward couldn't draw flies to ****. He tried to get more money by demanding a compromise on the weight. Ward was having none of that. But when Golovkin finally caved to the 168 demand, Ward said he was no longer interested.

 

In other words, G never got out of his comfort zone, like I said. He needed that fight. Ward is seen as an ATG because he cleaned out a stacked division and moved up, Golovkin did nothing extraordinary to be considered great. Good, not great.

 

Considering how many great middleweights there are throughout history....this is a not a straight forward question.

To meet specific criteria to be an ATG, resume, who you beat and competition, it could be argued he is not.

Eye test and head to head, prime Golovkin is an ATG.

On a side note, I love Golovkin.

 

Brook was top 10 rated as a Welterweight, not as a Middleweight, this is an ATG MW thread, Trinidad and Oscar were both top 2 rated at Middleweight. And if you mean P4P, then still no, he got dropped outside of the top 10 to make room for Lomachenko a few months prior to the GGG fight. And does it even really matter that Brook, a career welterweight, was a tad heavier than GGG ? all that says to me is that Brook was just a blown up Welter since he didn't even go to 154. Trinidad and Oscar actually grew into the division and had wins there prior to Hopkins.

Also did you really just belittle Hopkins for losing a fight when he was fresh out of jail and a literal novice ? That's just sad. There might be actual posters on this forum that are better than he was then. And how is it just my opinion that a resume consisting of 13 ranked wins is deeper than one with 9 ? There are literally two number 1 rated wins and three number 2 rated wins in Hopkin's favor, to GGG's one win over a number 2 in Jacobs, with the rest of his resume consisting of number 4's and lower. This is not an opinion, those are literal stats and numbers. And you know very well nobody GGG officially ever beat was superior to Oscar and Trinidad. Nobody aside from Jacobs is even on the same level as William Joppy and Keith Holmes. There is literally no way GGG has a superior resume to Hopkins at Middleweight.

 

He was game against GGG too. Landed a decent shot at almost exactly the same time as the one GGG landed to end it.

 

Troll!!!!

 

Ellerbe is looking in his mirror again I see LOL

 

Yes. He can fight and be competitive in any era. Top 5.

 

Yep, ole roided Canelo was so small. GGG didn't didn't create the gym talk, people in there with him did. Canelo weighed 174lbs fight night weighins vs Trout while competing as a jr middleweight. Golovkin usually weighed 170lbs on fight night while fighting as a middleweight, so don't give us this bull about bringing up a smaller guy.

 

Hi CJ rock, did the old peoples home allow you on the internet this late?