We're you impressed with Chris Eubank's performance?

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We're you impressed with Chris Eubank's performance?

Poll closed Sep 23, 2023.
  1. YES!

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  2. NOPE

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  1. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People have lost sight of the fact that Eubank is a career 160/168 fighter who just had two fights with a career 154 fighter.
    He came in with a significant advantage and that's why they picked Smith, because they always want an age or size advantage.

    I assumed he would badly beat Smith the first time because he was picking on a 154 fighter who has average power even at 154. I was wrong, but the result was clearly an incredibly strange upset considering the fighters and punchers Eubank had been in with and been hit by to no real effect, people like Froch and Groves confirming a very good chin etc. So I was not convinced Smith was going to repeat.

    Somehow people made Smith into a killer at MW after the upset and gave Eubank no chance, which struck me as surreal. But because of that, people now give Eubank credit for something he should have done based on the advantages he had.

    If it's true Smith took the fight injured, he was a fool, because Eubank was always dangerous especially when he had advantages. But it makes the win even less impressive.

    Ultimately Eubank got KO'd by a mid-power 154 fighter then won a rematch where the guy was compromised. This has put a stain on his record rather than improve it.
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    They don't call me Sergadamus for no reason.

    AJ couldn't channel anything to help him beat Usyk. He tried his ''more aggressive'' ''inner Femi'' approach and he looked like Herman Munster trying to swat a fly. The plan was to KO Usyk but he simply could not deal with Usyk's speed, footwork, movement, feints, and counter punching and when he was able to land with big shots Usyk's iron chin was able to withstand them. Usyk wasn't there to be hit like all those bigger slower behemoths.

    My problem is not so much with CEJ winning the fight - back when I used to strongly dislike him that would've been the case - but rather two things.

    1. People pretending like that wasn't a seriously compromised shell of Smith in there which was patently apparent and even worse totally undeniable if people are actually being honest with themselves.

    2. The selective outrage mob suddenly piping up about ''excuses'' when they were as silent as church mice after the first fight when CEJ and what seemed like billions of his fans making nothing but excuses and they still are even now about it even though CEJ looked way way better in the first fight than Smith did in the rematch.

    It's actually utterly bizarre how anyone can have the audacity to do so given the amount of CEJ fans who were doing that compared to Smith fans who are. The contrast is literally like night and day but they're all out in force complaining about excuses, including certain fighters and pundits. Where was their outrage about excuses after the first fight?

    It's not CEJ's fault Smith was so badly compromised albeit if it's true Smith was heavily coerced to accept that date (not blaming CEJ for that) that's out of order and if he does grant Smith a rematch, which I suspect he will, I will not only afford him respect for doing so but should he beat an able-bodied Smith this time I will also afford him his respect for that too.

    I can't give him too much credit for beating that badly compromised version of Smith (and CEJ fanboys aside most people realize that was the case) the other night because he was in against a crippled shell of Smith. It's like giving Kevin McBride and Danny Williams credit for beating a prime Mike Tyson when they beat a shell of him. Not saying Smith is shot like Mike was but he might as well have been given how badly compromised he was on the night.


    :lol: Thanks
     
  3. Serge

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    Uh-oh.. Sergsadamus gets it right again


    'Although those previously mentioned opponents made sense, Janibek Alimkhanuly was waiting patiently for Eubank to call him out as well. In the end, the current WBO champion was a bit vexed that he was left out of the picture.

    After giving it a bit of thought, the 30-year-old champion began to smile. Although it came across as a slight originally, he believes he knows why Eubank strayed away from mentioning his name.

    “Why does he need Golovkin?” Questioned Alimkhanuly on his social media account. “Do you know why he doesn’t mention my name? Because I’m a nightmare. There is only one king in middleweight! And that’s me!”


    With his eyes focused on wrapping two belts around his waist, Alimkhanuly is putting in the work during an arduous training camp. As for Eubank, Alimkhanuly doesn't believe that a showdown between them, if it ever came to fruition, would be competitive.

    “He is easy work!”

    Shots fired, CEJ should fire some back and secure himself a world title fight
     
  4. bulldoze

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    Who? The average PPV buying punter has never heard of the guy.

    Benn - PPV whenever they want to get it on. 5 years time when Jr has a grey beard? - it will still do PPV
    Brook - Will sell out an arena in the UK and is another stone cold PPV.
    GGG - Same as above.

    Unless you can get Crawford/Spence to come up or Canelo to come down there is not much other money out there.

    The promotors/management/fighters are interested in maximising career earnings from the next fight forward. Titles are stepping stones to position your fighter to get the PPV big bucks - the titles themselves are always a secondary consideration.

    The fight game has always been this way.
     
  5. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can’t argue with this. It’s called prize fighting. Brook at 160 next I think
     
  6. Elvizzz

    Elvizzz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You don’t rate him as world tittle contender anyway?? Let him go for the big money fights.
     
  7. Serge

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    Er. CEJ has said himself the goal is to become a world champion. That's what I'm basing this off. If he wants to become a world champion that's the best route for him to take to achieve that goal.

    Liam Smith was ranked #2 by the WBO at MW prior to last Saturday night even though he's not actually a MW, CEJ will take his spot.

    Janibek is the WBO champ. He's looking for unification match ups and fights against the big names and top dogs in the division.

    I'n sure CEJ would place legacy over money if a world title was the prize. He's a big name in Britain as it is and he will earn big bucks for it. Not as big as the Benn fight but I'm not saying he has to fight Janibek next. He could do and if he wins he could defend the title against Benn and make the fight even bigger. But if he wants that world title there's a clear path to a title shot for him there right now and the champ will jump at the chance.

    CEJ is a big enough name and star to sell well against a talented undefeated world champion who has the might of Top Rank and OG Bob behind him and the Benn fight will still be there for him. Even if they both lose their next fights the fight will still be huge.

    If he take that one next fair enough and I'll definitely be watching it. But, again, I believe him when he says the ultimate goal is to become world champion and that world title fight is easy to make. It might not be as easy in six months to a year from now because Janibek might be locked up in unification fights.

    GGG is mere shell of himself. If CEJ wanted that fight he should've took it when it was on the deck for him but he lost his pen. GGG should retire bu if not he should be ooking at those who hold titles not CEJ. He's earned well over $100 m in his career and he will earn well no matter who he fights. He doesn't need CEJ at all.
     
  8. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Oh brother boy o boy! Comparing Beefy to Iron Mike! Anyway I the reference was tongue in cheek. When and if they again Eubank will demolish Smith even earlier. He is better than him. Forget the fans of both fighters as their are despicable elements on both sides including Beefy himself and 1 of his brothers.
     
  9. Serge

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    CEJ is the naturally bigger man and has fought at the elite level at 168 so he should've been the favourite going into the first fight and he's coming off a stoppage win of Smith so he rightfully should be again.

    Olu, I think even that crippled Smith who didn't have his legs beneath him all fight and couldn't mount any kind of attack that consisted of more than one punch due to being so compromised hurt CEJ a bit with a right over the top at one point. If an able-bodied Smith turns up for the rematch and I think he will, assuming he didn't grow old over night the other day, it won't be anywhere near as easy for CEJ as it was the other night.

    I favour CEJ because you're only as good as your last fight and it was concerning how bad Smith looked, but Smith fought tooth and nail against a prime Clenelo and gave him one of his tougher fights. Granted that was a vastly better version of him than we saw the other night but any version of Clenelo knocks CEJ out and I don't see it being too competitive

    I'm not saying CEJ has a despicable fanbase but he has a weird and very vocal one. Of course there are some despicable elements there too but the selective outrage and hypocrisy is off the charts.

    I don't think Smith is despicable. I've never particularly been a fan of him personality wise and I get why he can rub some up the wrong way. But I have enjoyed his trash talk game of late. And when I say trash talk I'm not talking about insults but rather the psychological warfare and mind games at play. He's surprisingly good at it. CEJ is pretty good at it too and I found their exchanges entertaining.

    But to describe Smith as despicable is very harsh. You're a huge Twink fan, Olu, and I've never seen Smith do anything near as bad as some of the things he's done.
     
  10. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Calling Eubank gay going into his personal life was despicable especially when CEJ had recently suffered major loss in his personal life with the premature death of his brother Sebastian. So no I find Liam Smith and his brother Paul that insufferable big mouth despicable. They rub me up the wrong way pair of mouthy gobshites. In the post fight press conference Team Smith wanted to start some argy bargy which has it got out of hand they would have been dealt with. They have been quiet on social after giving it large before the fight now they are their surrogates making countless excuses. I say **** em and good riddance they are assholes. I am not even a CEJ fan.
     
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  11. Serge

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    CEJ has called numerous fighters ''quitters'' and mocked them for taking the knee, including Brook and Dubois which you had huge issues with other fighters for doing the same, and this is after both CEJ and his father have been involved in separate ring tragedies where their opponents suffered serious brain injuries



    He told his own trainer Ronnie Davies to ''stop talking'' when he was giving him advice in the corner. That was really disrespectful

    During his post-fight interview for the Korobov fight he said it was probably ''karma'' that Korobov suffered a freak injury, a fight he's damn lucky Korobov got injured in. Korobov is literally one of the nicest and most unlucky guys in the sport. After being frozen out for years after the Andy Lee fight, a fight he was dominating prior to walking into Lee's pet right hook, when he did finally get a shot he was robbed blind in back to back fights and then suffered freak injuries in back to back fights in fights he was winning.

    Granted it wasn't even two complete rounds against CEJ but he was lighting CEJ up with ease in that first round and the skill disparity between them was very apparent.

    This rubbed me up the wrong way but it doesn't come close to some of the stuff Twink has done

    Neither does Smith calling CEJ gay at the pre-fight press conference (if that's what you're referring to) when they're trash talking each other 18 months or so after the tragic passing of his brother (RIP) or he and his being up for a bit of argie bargie

    You say they would've got ''dealt with'' but regardless of what you think of them they are or were former fighters, two of whom world champions and all of who fought for world titles. Smith's trainer is a former pro and sure the rest of the gym were in attendance too :lol:

    And as for making excuses, need I remind you that's all CEJ did after the first fight
     
  12. African Cobra

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    The fact they are former fighters does not give them the right to threaten civil disorder just because their guy lost. What I remember is CEJ congratulating Smith after the first fight. Liam kept talking **** before the 2nd fight him and his idiot of a big brother Paul. Now they have gone radio silent on social media. Excuses galore is all I hear. What we can say about both CEJ and Smith to be fair is that neither fighter has taken a knee. I don’t like Beefy he is not my type of guy and he did something I did not know was even possible make me admire CEJ.
     
  13. Serge

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    Olu, Twink has done a lot worse, many times, than threaten civil disorder only it's against women and civilians.

    It's just wishful thinking on your part that they would've got ''dealt with''

    This is amusing :lol:

    They only thing which would've evened it up was the fact that Liam was such a severely compromised cripple :lol:

    Callum Smith is a former world champion and a massive puncher

    Paul Smith is a former 2 x world title challenger and many feel he deserved the decision in one of those attempts. He could crack a bit

    Liam Smith is a former world champion and he had stopped like 15 of his previous 18 victims IIRC, CEJ being one of them. Granted that was an able-bodied version of him

    Stephen Smith is a former world title challenger who like the rest of them has shared a ring with numerous world champions and really good fighters

    Regardless of what you think of them, Olu, the fact that you have four boxing brothers from the same family who were all British champions and who all challenged for world titles, two of them actually holding world titles, is very impressive and they've all shared a ring with excellent-very good world champions many times

    Who are these members of Team CEJ who would be administering this beat down to Team Smith in this hypothetical bare knuckle brawl between them?

    CEJ?
    Harlem?
    Ronnie Davies who is in his mid 70s at least
    Coked up Kalle? :lol:
    The morbidly obese BoMac who couldn't climb two steps without blowing out of his ass? :lol:

    I didn't even see Sr. in attendance. Was he there?

    Who else?

    Again, CEJ and his legion of fans made nothing but excuses after the first fight and they're still making them now even though CEJ looked light years better in that fight than Smith did in the rematch. And they accused Smith of cheating too
     
  14. Virtanen

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    He did what he had to but Smith is not special boxer or even very good. He is Euro level boxer at best.
     
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  15. Elvizzz

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    His legion of fans on this forum?? I must have missed them. Am I understanding this correctly??? They made excuses so now you make excuses to Olu who is not even a CEJ fan??