What's Rocky Marciano's record if he fought Muhammad Ali's opponents ?

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  1. ThatOne

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    Please discuss. Thank you.
     
  2. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    IMO
    He certainly wouldn't finish his career undefeated - that was the first thing that came to my mind.
    Surely he would have a worse career record than Muhammad Ali - that's the second thing that came to mind.
     
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    Loses to Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes.

    50/50 against Norton, Young, Bonavena.

    Beats Quarry, Shavers, Ellis, Jones, Cooper, Folley, Banks, Moore, Werner, Spinks etc

    Of course if he ages realistically from 1960, he doesn't beat any of the 70s fighters.
     
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    I see he beats Post prime Liston, like he did Walcott, and retires undefeated after he kos Holmes in 9th round.
     
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    Probably ends up with about 10 losses remember Marciano wouldn't be in his prime for every fight, and with his high energy aggressive style vs much bigger men over the course of say like 14 years ? Theres no way Marciano would have that type of longevity.

    Definitely loses to Liston, Foreman, Holmes.

    High chance hes loses to Fraizer.

    Could lose to Norton, Lyle, Patterson, Quarry, Bonavena.

    Tough fights vs Terrell, Ellis.

    Honestly if Marciano had to fight all these fighters in the same timespan as Ali did, he would probably lose more than he wins if I'm being brutally honest.
     
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    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Ali had a 20 year career to face these opponents. Marciano had a 7 year career, largely against powderpuffs, and which at the end of he was breaking down. On Ali's schedule, he would be 46 at the end, and would have gone on a huge losing streak.
     
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    Not a chance does he retire undefeated fighting the people Ali did, he would get beat comprehensively multiple times. Foreman, Liston, Frazier and Holmes have relatively easy nights with him, too small and too slow for those guys
     
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    I think he probably goes 29-0 and then retires in 1969, making his career about as long as it actually was. I do not see him maintaining that style after that, and he would know that, just as he did in real life. And I do not think the version of Sonny Liston who fought Muhammad Ali beats Rocky Marciano, although I do believe that the Liston of the first Ali fight has the best chance of any of them in that time frame of beating Rocky.
     
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    He'd beat a lot more of them than a lot of guys think. I will say it again and again...two-fisted power and the stamina to throw 95 punches in the 15th round. Not many of those guys, even the greats, would have an easy time of it.
     
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    A lot of ATG’s and too contenders at any weight could THROW 95 punches in the 15th round. But landing them and landing them accurately is different.
     
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    Rubbish. This is factually not true.
     
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    Loses to
    Liston
    Foreman
    Holmes
    50/50 Frazier,Lyle,Norton.
    Probably beats Quarry , Bonavena,Ellis.M Foster
    Beats Patterson and Chuvalo.
    BeatsTerrell
     
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  13. lone star

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    Watch Norton vs Holmes. What’s not true about that. They threw everything they had at each other. Missed a few mind. How about Ali bs Spinks 1. Threw a lot of punches. Ali could have thrown more but was trying to connect.
     
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    Lots of losses for sure.
     
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    Likely doesn't come back from the exile and if he does, the way his body was, he loses more than he should.

    Only Liston beats him in first spell of the career probably. On the comeback though, Bonavena and Frazier probably prove too tough and too in shape and Norton probably gets off the floor to take a decision. Foreman destroys him and by this time, someone like a Lyle or Shavers probably gets him too.

    Rocco had a 7 year reign and his body wasn't built for longevity. If I had his ear, I'd tell him to stay in exile.