Zhang vs Joyce 2 Weigh-In

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  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    joyce is not super ripped. However Wilder, when he weighed in at 238....he really was still very lean with his deltoids looking like absolute melons
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Big Joe came in his lightest for years at 256 for the first fight and he weighed 271 for his fight prior to that so it's not like he's gained all this mass out of the blue.

    His weight has fluctuated quite a lot over the years like Big Bang's has

    Prior to this fight his lowest was 250 and his highest 271

    Big Bang's lowest was 249 and his highest 278
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'm more interested in why Yarde is fighting another tomato can, a 40 y/o SMW one. Big Frank has zero shame :facepalm:

    Yarde does absolutely nothing to to deserve a shot at a well past prime Kovalev except fight a bunch of featherfisted lower Euro levels, journeymen and scrubs

    Gets KO'd and then returns against a 4-48-3 binman

    Fights a domestic level

    Loses to Lyndon Arthur who hadn't beaten anyone above domestic level

    Returns against a 23-5 binman who has been stopped in 10 of his 11 losses now

    Avenges his loss to Arthur which is still to this day by far his best win even though Arthur hasn't fought anyone world class other than Yarde

    Returns against a Euro level

    Gets another completely undeserved world title shot, this time against Beterbiev for all three belts

    And now he returns against a 40 y/o 22-8 SMW

    Yarde's best wins are

    1. Lyndon Arthur
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    Big Frank could've easily put him in with someone world class in between his world title shots or before, a former world title challenger like say Marcus Browne or Hot Rod or another one of the top LHWs in Britain but he's angling to try and secure Yarde a third world title shot, this time against Bivol off the back of beating nobodies

    Even worse, we then have to listen to Tunde and Frank hype up these scrubs with ''but he's ranked # whatever'' or ''he's coming off good win'' or ''he lasted the distance against so and so'' :facepalm:
     
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  4. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Nqh, nqh, nqh, we are not even debating that. Wilder is American, for them everything is allowed. And yeah Wilder physique and weight gained for Fury 3, hell even Fury 2 scream the same thing that Joyce screams now.

    Though Wilder had a cardio for 1 round, cause he is dumb asf. :D

    In such cases and such drastic weight and somehow 80%+(hell even 50% is enough) of big gain weight coming in a form of muscle is a clear sign of heavy usage. :D
     
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  5. Csonnyliston

    Csonnyliston Sam Langford P4P GOAT Full Member

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    560+ pounds in the ring. That screams boring clinch fest to me. 2 guys that fat ain't gonna be boxing for 12 rounds.
     
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  6. TheWizard

    TheWizard I Got Milk Baby Full Member

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    Did you watch Joyce against Parker? Joyce was throwing 80 punches a round at 271 lbs, best cardio in the division.
     
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  7. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I must have a different definition of 'Super ripped' then the OP.
     
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  8. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What in the funk? They both coming in fat like they did nothing but eat the last few months.

    What happened to Zhang's new trainer and being in the best shape ever? He'll be done in 5 rounds. That's not what you wanna see.

    There's a good possibility now Joyce wins this, he already had the stamina so not as big a problem for him but 25lb gain in such a short time is not good. Even if it's muscle which it isn't, his belly is bigger, it will still slow him down. As if that's possible, he already moves like a snail.
     
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  9. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    That was fishy in my opinion. He gained all muscle.
     
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  10. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Why are people calling Joyce ripped here? He's not flabby by any means but he's clearly a lot softer looking than he was for the first fight.

    Zhang looks fleshy and not in particularly great shape, but then he never does. We'll see on the night how his weight affects him.
     
    It's Ovah, Sep 22, 2023
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  11. reckless

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    At least half if not more of Joyce's weight gain has been fat. He had a bit of a gut hanging over his trousers. His abs are so developed that they can show through a bit at even that level of body fat.
     
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  12. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    These guys are both way too heavy. Hope this doesn't turn into a sloppy gas fest.
     
    UnleashtheFURY, Sep 22, 2023
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  13. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's interesting how many ways this stuff can be seen. I personally thought Joe looked a bit softer and Zhang had got slightly more toned/muscular. I readily admit even my vision can be clouded by bias though.

    Honestly at this point the only thing most of us can say with complete certainty is that it would be very unpleasant to be hit by either, and we already knew that :lol:
     
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  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Again do people even know the difference between water retention and fat ?
    Where the heck you see all that fat on him ?

    Look at this pic, taken today, where is all that fat ?
    [url]https://ibb.co/Hp6fYwM[/url]

    Obviously when he is going to relax, his muscle won't pop, and he will have a bit of gut extension.

    Clear fat on his body has Zhang, and it's obvious. Joyce is almost all muscle and water.

    People obviously have no idea on here.
    Look at Joyce chest, where is the fat?

    He maybe a bit watery, but the he is not fat. And we are not talking about bodybuilders with 3-5% body fat on show day.

    He has gained tons of muscles. And again even with Peds, you are still going to gain some % fat, and obviously water retention.

    But that is literally impossible to do on naturally.
     
    lordlosh, Sep 22, 2023
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  15. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Joyce need to come in fit and light. He needs to move and tire out Zhang. Horrible game planning on Joyce's part
     
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