Zhang vs. Muhammad Ali

Nobody takes your posts seriously.

They are horrific in every way.

 

Yes cause you are a bunch of cringy old anglo saxons, that collectively circle jerk to your nostalgic ejaculations of “sugar x(insert american sounding surname) vs smokin x(insert clichee old english surname).

 

What the hell are you blabbering on about ? We're talking about Zhang.....who had his first significant win at the age of 40 after an unremarkable professional career. Against a guy with only 15 professional fights who is one of the slowest so called top Heavyweight's i've ever seen with no defence.

That's pretty much Zhang's whole professional career in a nutshell.....

Of course it matters what's the matter with you ? we judge fighters on who they beat.....so you know we can actually judge how good they are ? how in the world can we judge a fighter if they aren't beating world class fighters ? that's the most ridiculous logic i've ever heard....

Why do you think Ali is so highly rated ? because he has the best Heavyweight resume of all time and is proven against many world class fighters.

And Fury got dropped and rocked early in his career by a total nobody with only 4 stoppages, and also got a gift decision against a domestic level fighter. Does that mean he can't beat Zhang either based on those fights early in his career ? of course it doesn't.

How about the fact that Ali beat two men who are considered top 10 hardest hitting Heavyweights of all time in Shavers ? Foreman ? and consistently beat world class opposition over 2 decades ?

Where as Zhang has a grand total of 1 win against a world class Heavyweight in almost 10 years of being a professional.

 

Actually i'm in my early 20s and can appreciate the modern era, and the older era and realize there is greatness in both eras. You're just a moron and frankly not even worth wasting time to reply to, another one to add to the ignore list before i lose anymore braincells reading your tripe.

 

He never beat Hrgovic though.

 

You’re a joker, pure and simple.

You post utterly ridiculous comments.

You eventually get backed into a corner, before then saying that you were only joking.

Then you go missing.

Then you come back, and the whole cycle starts back up again.


I’m the least nostalgic person here.

I’m always the guy who recognises that any guy from any era could beat any other guy from any era, depending on how the fighters matched up on the night stylistically.

I’m not ignorant like you are.

You have convinced yourself that everything modern is superior, and that all modern fighters would beat all guys of the past.

We’ve been at this a few years now. But you’re a hopeless case. You are horribly biased and you never expand your knowledge.

If Henry Cooper is your evidence for why Ali couldn’t have beaten any modern guy, then you may as well delete your account and go and follow another sport.

You’re an embarrassment.

 

well zhang also holds a medal in HW amateur boxing dont forget that, he competes in the current brasket of HW, it doesnt matter that he is 40 that is not important, all the good guys at the top 15 are in a somewhat similair level, that is just the nature of sport. Its the same in every other sport. Jesse owens in no where near the top 10 of todays 100 meter dash runners. Its the same for almost every other athletic perfomance, there are almost no records that are beeing held by people in the 60s and most top 30 guys of today are better then the top guys of the 60s, its not that hard to understand.
Thats where my whole Cooper argument comes from.
The fury argument is trash, first of that supposed loss, was when he was still very young, i would not hold something like that against ali. But ali was in his prime when he fought cooper and also still very good when he fought frazier.
Cunningham would actually be extremly dangerous Hw in the 60s, he would be much bigger then almost anybody, it fits perfect into my logic.

 

again you use that cringe word Greatness, as if boxing is a fuking tolkien story or an anime. You can absolutely say, that the old eras where better cause the fighters fought more often, or where less afraid to trait or whatever. Thats subject to everybody and one can discuss that, but the idea that the sport today is not at a much higher level then in any other era, is just stupid. As I say, boxing would be the absolute exception to all other sports in the last 60 years, where almost everyone agrees that todays athletes are better, even in other striking disciplines.

 

WTF is this??

Ali wasn’t in his prime when Cooper dropped him.

And why would it be relevant anyway?

If that was his ceiling, how did he beat Liston, Frazier, Norton, Patterson and Foreman etc??

Why are you talking about Owens??

This is a boxing match.

Zhang has done NOTHING to be favoured over Ali. NOTHING.

The stylistic match up would also have favoured a prime Ali.

You mentioned Wlad K in your previous post. Yet he was knocked out 3 times in his 20’s, to 3 guys who weren’t elite HW’s. He also barely survived a crude Sam Peter.

So if you only want to focus on the negatives points of Ali’s career, then we can do the same for Wlad and whoever else you want to put forward.

Now look at the styles.

The stylistic match ups.

Just because Frazier and Cooper could land great left hooks on Ali, that doesn’t mean that Wlad could have done.

Cooper and Frazier were smaller and faster than Wlad. They could get close to Ali where they could fight him close on the inside.

I highly doubt that Wlad could have landed his left hook on a prime Ali.

You simply haven’t got the knowledge to absorb this though. Your brain can’t conceive different stylistic match ups.

You can only debate on statistics between old and new records.

You’ve been here a few years now, but you’ve learnt nothing new. So unfortunately, it’s just been a complete waste of your time.

 

The fact Zhang is winning this poll is absolutely mind boggling, imagine your only notable win being against a guy with 15 professional fights means now you can beat ATG fighters 0 IQ logic.

The fans had their flavour of the month with Joyce, when they said he was an unstoppable juggernaut that was the next coming of Foreman. Now his bubble has been burst they've found another flavour of the month with Zhang, when Zhang eventually loses i'm going to quote every single one of these fans.

 

Here we go again.

There’s whole divisions today that are inferior to what they were decades ago.

The HW division today is actually quite poor. It’s weaker than what it was in many decades of the past.

NO KNOWLEDGEABLE fan thinks that today’s HW division is the best of all time. NOBODY.

There’s HW’s of Ali’s era that could have found success today.

Why are you so ignorant?

I genuinely feel sorry for you.

 

Boxing is a sport-> the top croch of a sport compete at a similar level-> all sports have massively developed over the last decades hence most of todays top tier HW are much better then the absolute best HW of the golden Era, just like in any other sport.

all the things you are talking about is related to your subjective feelings and the way fighters are perceived or how famous they are

 

They’re like kids.

It makes me cringe.

Before I logged on earlier, I laughed and predicted some of the threads what would be on here. And as it turns out, I was right with three of them. So predictable.

I’ve been here nearly 12 years.

I’ve seen it all.

Yes, a year ago it was all Joyce.

Joyce vs Lennox.

Joyce vs Tyson.

Joyce vs Ali.

I had reckless tell me that a 1988 version of Mike Tyson would have been rag dolled, and wouldn’t have survived.

Yet the same guy is now saying that Joyce was never that good, and he never had any head movement etc. Ha!

And now we have to endure Zheng’s name for the next few months.

Zhang vs Foreman.

Zhang vs Ali.

Zhang vs my Grandma etc, etc.

Oh, and don’t forget that Zhang would definitely have beaten Ali. Why? Because Ali boxed in the 60’s and 70’s, where there was no colour and the car had only just been invented.

All modern athletes are superior, based upon recorded sprinting times.

Ali wouldn’t have had a chance, because Jessie Owens wouldn’t have won a race today etc.

I despair.

 

STFU.

The majority of today’s top 15 HW’s are absolutely nothing even remotely special, where they’d just have been average contenders in most other eras.

Name them.

We’ll go through each one them.

 

Most of the so called top Heavyweight's now are on the wrong side of 30 with barely any notable wins against any top 10 Heavyweights.

Lets have a look at the current top Heavyweights.....

Usyk has 1 win against a ranked top 10 Heavyweight in Joshua, although to be fair Usyk is new to the division and his Cruiserweight resume is very good.

Wilder in 45 fights has only beat 2 opponents ranked in the top 10.

Fury has only beat 3 opponents ranked in the top 10.

Zhang has only beat 1 ranked top 10 opponent in almost 10 years.

Guys like Ruiz has only fought twice in 3 years.

Fury looks like he's retiring.

Usyk is on his last legs.

Wilder is 37 and has been inactive.

Zhang is 40.

Where's the young talented Heavyweights in their 20s coming up to take over ?