Harder puncher: Wilder or Zhang?

How did Wilder duck when Ruiz turned down the offer ? Mental Gymnastics to suggest such.

Additionally yes Wilder is a far bigger star. He was fighting Helenius, of course the PPV won't be as high as against LUIS ORTIZ the same opponent where Wilder earned over over 200,000 buys in comparison to Ruiz. 75k is considered bad for Wilder. Not for Ruiz.

And lastly there were no negotiations to find common ground. Ruiz wanted 10 million and 50/50 which he isn't entitled to

 

So Ruiz could be lying, but Wilder couldn't be lying? He must be telling the truth ? Like he always does? Just to expose himself finally admitting he ducked AJ. Years after he claimed AJ ducked him.

And i had a better question, who outpriced himself of the fight? Yep Wilder. Ruiz wanted the fight and wanted to negotiate a deal. They could easily reached for 60-40, or at worst 60-40 for the winner, which would have been fair.
But 70-30 offer is just outpricing himself of a fight, that Wilder literally admits he never intent to have it.
Mandatory spot works both way you know ?

You can try to milk it as much as you like, but 70-30 offer would have been fair if Wilder was a Champion, having no belt, and not being a PPV draw, ain't helping his case, and 70-30 is equal to ducking and outpricing yourself of the fight.

I can make a Wilder 90-10 offer for me, and if he refuse it, is that mean he is ducking me ?

You can try to milk it as much as you like again, but Ruiz wanted the fight and wanted to negotiate, Wilder was just chasing Cloud. Ruiz still wants the fight, he just want fair split.

 

He wanted 50/50 and 10 million no negotiations. Never went down to 55/45. 60/40. Or 65/35. even though Ruiz was the one responding to said offer.

Fact is it was an eliminator. Nobody ducked, but Ruiz was the one who turned it down

 

Mental gymnastics is suggesting somebody accepts an offer which is far below their worth but if they don’t it’s a duck. It’s like If I wanted to sell my house but then somebody offered to buy it for 20% of its value and then accused me of not wanting to sell when I inevitably refuse their offer. If you really want to make the fight then a fair offer would be made instead of a 70/30 split.

Also when comparing m numbers against a common opponent it would be stupid to do so without any context, rematches tend to always have higher numbers as often there is controversy or talking points from the first fight to warrant and build the rematch. A fair comparison would be the ppv figures from the first wilder v Ortiz fight which I’m sure you can provide.

 

Ruiz wanted 10 million (maybe 25) and 50/50 against a bigger star. Ridiculous no matter how much you wanna deny it. Ruiz never once went down to 45 or 40, and he insisted on 10 million or he would not even fight

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/andy-ruiz-jr-wants-10-million-for-deontay-wilder-fight/267901

https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/box...ith-deontay-wilder/1mocgvnvxqk2x1fppw02l43kza

How the hell can you say Wilder ducked ? Ruiz was the one who priced himself out. Yet the same Ruiz was completely fine with a guarantee 1 million twice against Ortiz and Arreola his most recent opponents. And they weren't even title eliminators. You've got some work to do in order to figure that out

 

You are embarrassing yourself. You first claims that the fight went off because of Ruiz wanting 50 or 40, but he didn't deserve even 40%.
You are claiming the offer was more than fair, when Wilder is firstly NOT A CHAMPION, secondly it's not a PPV STAR. His so call "BIG RETURN" couldn't even pull 75K. PPV.
This is the facts.

Ruiz is a former UNIFIED Champion. You cannot lowball him.
What Ruiz did was negotiate himself a better deal. You are obviously a clueless. When someone lowballs you, you going to give a counter offer and say that you want more money than what you would agree on, which is a basic negotiation trick. You obviously have zero idea what you are talking and how talks work.

Also the 10m. you comes out just now, reading everything you can from the Internet to try and get out of the s**** situation you put yourself alone into it, ain't working.

“I’ll fight him for $10 million,” said Andy Ruiz Jr. on social media about his asking price to face Deontay Wilder

This is long ago after the negotiation fall's through. Again basics stuffs that even a kid in the 1 class should know. Someone lowballs you with 1 mil. you are saying not going to happen i want 10m., and you meet somewhere in the middle.

Just like the 50-50 offer. Wilder offered a supposed 70-30 split. We actually don't know if it was written offer, or just a formal offer, with no contract, etc. We also have no idea what was included, etc.
But what was clear is that WIlder didn't want to move from the 70-30 offer.

Again a basic negotiation trick from team Ruiz saying they want 50-50, and prolly agreed to meet in the middle. What we know for SURE is Wilder and Malik never agreed to move from the 70-30 offer. There was never 60-40 offer. Not a 60-40 for the winner as well.

If there was such offer, then you can come and say Ruiz didn't want 60-40, and then we could have said was that fair or not.
But the facts are Wilder never moved from that, but just move from the fight alone. Which was one big PIAR move.
Eddie Hearn long ago have said that Wilder has no intention of fighting Ruiz.
He was waiting on AJ fight, he was never going to fight Ruiz in the mean time.

And this is not based on my bias, like what's your doing troll, this is based on WILDER resume that speaks volume.
The guy resume is beyond s****. His PPV number is beyond s****.

He cannot low balls big names in the division and then claims everyone is ducking him.

Also there is a big difference on PPV numbers when Wilder was a Champion, aka Ortiz fight, and when you are not. You can ask your so well beloved Anthony Joshua(i know you hate him), and your fanhero Tyson Fury.
What numbers they pull when they were Champions and what numbers they pull, when they wasn't.
Also if i remember correctly Wilder(C) vs undefeated Ortiz, was not even a PPV bout.

As far as Helenius fight, and Helenius not being a big name, yeah thank you for exposing yourself once again, and proving my point.

If you are a big name, you will sell PPV based on yourself, not your opponent, like AJ was doing all these years.

vs Martin - 1.368m.
vs Breazeale - 512k.
vs Molina - 764k.
vs Takam - 1.09m.
vs Povetkin - 1.247m.
vs Pulev - 848k.

This is against the lesser names, not going to mention his big figures against the top dogs.
And it's a well known facts that AJ needs to overpay big time to land a lot of fights. But he was eager to fight, unlike Wilder.
https://www.itnwwe.com/boxing/anthony-joshua-ppv-buys/
Educate yourself.

Again and for the last time, as i don't like losing time to trolls like you, and you should have ended in my ignore list long ago, when you decide to troll instead of being a serious poster on here.
You either can SELL fights on your own, and then you can make the demands, but you also needs to be Champion.
Or you needs big name to SELL fights and then you cannot go with 70-30 take it or leave it. Cause you will end up with 1+year of inactivity and s**** resume.
Also 50-50 of 20m. is more than 70-30 or even 90-10 of 5m., right? And it's certainly more than 0% of anything.

 

Nqh bro, you can't argue with a beyond biased person that somehow always find excuse for his fanhero and his ***** Wilder.

On top of everything you said i would add that 70-30 split would be totally fair, if Wilder was still a Champion, but he is not. He is not a hot name as well, as he is heavily into inactivity + has 2 loses in his last 3 fights, and not just 2 loses, but 2 KTFO loses.

While if anything Ruiz is Mexican and you can be sure they bring big fanbase with them, and their people always support them + Ruiz was never KOed.

 

You can't read. I never said this. I said the fight went off because Ruiz wanted 50/50 and 10 milllion, and NEVER tried to negotiate via going down to 45 or 40% split

Regardless it doesn't matter. The fact is Ruiz in his own words turned down a 70/30 title eliminator and and your 100 page essays will not change it.

 

Let's see who cannot read:

And again you obviously are a troll, as you don't understand a basic negotiation tactics.
And i already debunked your 10m. b.c. with the exact quote from Ruiz, where he was asked about the price he wants to fight Wilder. And that was long after the negotiation was done.

The one that pulls the plug and move on, and decided not to negotiate anything wasn't Ruiz. They wanted to make the fight and to negotiate a deal. Wilder team shut it down, and never wanted to move from the 70-30.

Ruiz said they want fair split. They was never offered 60-40. And of course when you receive 70-30 offer, you will say we want 50-50, basics negotiation tricks, and you meet in the middle.
Anyone can tell you that, but you are beyond deluded to understand it, and just to defend blatantly your guy fangirl, you just choose to embarrass yourself that you don't get basics stuffs.

Keep going, you are doing a good job exposing yourself and your bias.

Ah and if Wilder wanted a big name on his resume, and somehow it was Ruiz that was greedy, Wilder would have already fight in the mean time.

 

Ruiz by his own words wanted 10 million and 50/50 lol he priced himself out stop it. Delusional

 

Yeah keep repeating the same sentance like a kid in the kindergarten, that's definitely help your case.

 

Maybe if you stopped playing connect 4 with your logic I wouldn't have to hammer the point home

Ruiz: I want 10 million and 50/50 or I'm turning down the offer that Wilder sent me

Lordlosh: Wilder ducked !!! It's Wilders fault uhh Wilder sucks oh uh Wilder is a Chinless hypejob bum etc etc

 

Ok I will concede you are right when you show me in those articles you provided that Ruiz demanded 10m (maybe 25m) AND 50/50 as well as showing me the ppv figures from wilder v Ortiz 1 confirming that Wilder is the “bigger star”

Shouldn’t be too difficult

 

This answer is similar to your last 10 answers, aka i'm a troll and a bad one, aka i'm a kid and my response are typical to the ones in kindergarten.
You are keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Making and twisting literally everything.

Again your hero claimed Ruiz wanted 20-25m. And said Ruiz priced himself.
Ruiz comes with i never wanted 20-25m.
I will fight Wilder for 10m.
Again THIS IS AFTER THE FIGHT FELL THROUGH.
This is not during the negotiation.

His father answer the 70-30 offer from WIlder team, and Ruiz father have said this:

“What happened is that Wilder is a liar," Ruiz Sr. told Izquierdazo. “He (Wilder) and his trainer (Malik Scott) want Andy to accept a ridiculous amount of money. But Andy is not a random name. Andy is a former world champion, the first Mexican heavyweight world champion in history. A former champion, he made history."

“Wilder wants to offer Andy around 30%," Ruiz Sr. explained. “We want 50-50, because Wilder is no longer a champion, he is coming off a very bad fight, where he fought against a sparring partner (Robert Helenius). I think that sparring partner took a dive. And Andy is coming off a good fight that lasted 12 rounds (with Luis Ortiz).

“It's not good money, and I will tell you why. They are offering almost the same amount of money that (Andy) received when he beat Ortiz. How is it possible to receive the same amount of money with Wilder as we did with King Kong. Andy and Wilder are going to fill up a stadium, they are going to sell a crazy amount of PPV, because everybody wants to see that fight. They are not offering a fair split. The only thing we are asking is a 50-50 split, we are not asking for anything else. 50-50 and we are ready to fight Wilder, and give him a good beating. Wilder will suffer the same beating as (Anthony) Joshua.

You fail to answer all the question that we asked you, while we answered every single one.
You still fail to explain based on what Wilder deserved 70%, and anything less will not be fair.

You are beyond delusional at this point, and you deserved an ignore for that, simply because this is a mandatory split.
And this is a fight between 2 ex Champions, neither is Champion anylonger, and they were number 1 and number 2 ranked at the time.
And that was mandatory spot.

The only one pushed for the fight was Ruiz.
They never said we will DECLINE every single offer different from 50-50, or we will DECLINE EVERY SINGLE offer different from 10M.

They were low balled, and they countereted with the 50-50, as everyone would DO. That doesn't mean they would only accept 50-50. They never said that, and Wilder team NEVER offered any different offer from the low balled one.


Wilder did what his father, aka Tyson Fury did, talk on Youtube and Twitter, how Ruiz should take the fight, how this is a good deal, how he should not be about the money, and blq, blq, blq.

This is basics stuffs that there is negotiation. But there was NONE, as Wilder just didn't want the fight.
They said 70-30 take it or leave it. I have my options, aka i will wait for SAUDI MONEY for AJ FIGHT, and i just use your name as a CLOUD !!!!

This is the facts. You can cry as much more as you like, and make 10 more threads as you like, you are not going to change anything.
Keep spamming the same post over and over again, and show us the troll you really are.

 

He can't, as he is using this quote from Ruiz:
They’re trying to pay me what I got for my last fight. It doesn’t make sense.
“$10 million or less? I’ll fight him for $10 million, f--- it,” Ruiz said.


But this quote is when the negotiation breaks down, and they were already moved through. This was Andy responds to a question, as Wilder make LIE accusation that Ruiz wanted 20-25m. before that. And Ruiz literally have said if he said i want 20-25m., i will agree to 10m., which was a perfect counter and a fair. But Wilder literally goes into hiding after that, as he was Lying through his teeth about the 20-25m. demands from Ruiz.


And to prove that i'm not lying and why Ruiz comes out with the 10m., this is from Wilder:



“He priced himself out. He wanted 25 million. 20-25 million, and he know he ain’t finna get that s**t nowhere. Being a six-month champion or less. It would’ve been lesser than that if Joshua didn’t come along.

“How do they thing they’re gonna get 20 million? That’s the Daddy … You Daddy trying to steal, b**ch. Stop it.”

“If this ain’t no price out then what it is? Come on. This ain’t even no title fight. This is what an eliminator? You talking about 20-25 million. Guess what? I hope you enjoy sitting on the shelf.”

And here comes the big exposer of Wilder and Markus guy. This here just proves that Wilder was lying through his teeth the whole time.