Zhang vs. Muhammad Ali

Most of the posts on this have to be trolling, no one can be that clueless. Though in fairness, since Ali is dead Zhang has to be the favourite. In fact he would beat Frazier, Liston and Louis on the same night.

 

Read a good deal. It saddens me these clowns THINK they are knowledgeable about this stuff. F'n kids these days...

 

@VOXDEI

@Decker

@ertwin


Come and answer these points that have been put to you.

 

Ali would run all over him. Make him fall all over himself.

Ali is not going to get caught while throwing a s-l-o-w a-s-s right h-a-nd- like Joyce throws.

 

movement, speed, combinations...Ali would be too much for Zhang. way too much. let's not get too carried away with Zhang's accomplishment. it was great and I am pulling for him to get a big fight. however, he would not beat every one in boxing history.

 

@ertwin


Come and show me how the sport continually progresses.

Let’s have a look at a few comparisons.


Here are the Ring’s current top 10 MW’s:

Gennady Golovkin
Zhanibek Alimkhanuly
Carlos Adames
Erislandy Lara
Sergiy Deravyanchenko
Chris Eubank Jnr
Meiirim Nursultsnov
Felix Cash
Elijah Garcia
Liam Smith


Here are the top 10 from 1987:

Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Frank Tate
Sumbu Kalambay
Mike McCallum
Michael Nunn
Michael Olijade
Iran Barkley
Matthew Hilton
Herol Graham

A difference of 36 years!

Where’s the progression??


How about a list from 1992?

Julian Jackson
James Toney
Reggie Johnson
Roy Jones
Mike McCallum
Sumbu Kalambay
Gerald McClellan
Lamar Parks
Bernard Hopkins
Thomas Tate

A difference of 31 years!

Where’s the progression??


Here are the Ring’s current top 10 HW’s:

Oleksandr Usyk
Tyson Fury
Deontay Wilder
Anthony Joshua
Zhilei Zhang
Andy Ruiz
Joe Joyce
Luis Ortiz
Joseph Parker
Filip Hrgovic
Jared Anderson


Here are the top 10 from 1991:

Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Riddick Bowe
Razor Ruddock
Ray Mercer
George Foreman
Tim Witherspoon
Tony Tucker
Lennox Lewis
Michael Moorer

A difference of 32 years!

Where’s the progression??


Now also understand this:

I have only chosen 2 divisions. Yet if I’d have wanted to, I could have chosen many more. Many more from any of the divisions, from the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and 00’s.

I could compile a huge list.


The sport does not continually progress.

There’s many fighters from decades ago who would have been able to have beaten today’s guys.

Go and educate yourself.

 

@Decker


Here are the Ring’s current top 10 HW’s:

Oleksandr Usyk
Tyson Fury
Deontay Wilder
Anthony Joshua
Zhilei Zhang
Andy Ruiz
Joe Joyce
Luis Ortiz
Joseph Parker
Filip Hrgovic
Jared Anderson


Now are you seriously telling us that Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Ken Norton and Larry Holmes etc, couldn’t even have COMPETED with ANY of them??

Ha!

GTFO!

 

of course im serious Zhang is 6 foot 6 hes 20 stones Muhammad Ali was about 14 stones ffs and when he was a bit heavier he was fatter and slower he was a tiny wee fella compared to Zhang who would punch holes right through him its a different era Ali was great for his era he wouldnt be great against some of the big dogs now but look at usyk hes Ali height hes a bigger built fella than ali but there on the same level talent wise Ali could do well but he would loose also to fellas like Zhang

 

No man usyk is much bigger then ali

 

thats what im saying usyk is bigger built hes about a stone heavier if were talking about when there both lean usyks got about a stone on him same height

 

So what if he’s 20 stone?

Do you think that Ali would have been stood there static?

Zhang has shown stamina issues, he’s got slow feet, he’s nowhere near as fast as Ali was, and he’d have had to have closed him down and caught him in order to have hurt him.

And who’s he beaten?

Joyce twice?


The stylistic match up would have favoured Ali, and Ali is far more proven.


There’s no such thing as a different era.

Styles make fights.


Do you think that Zhang would punch holes through Usyk?

Usyk could beat Zhang with his speed and skills, just like he beat AJ. And I know that you don’t like AJ, but AJ is far more proven than what Zhang is.

 

Another clown statement.


Same height

Same reach

Practically the same weight

Same level of power


Don’t embarrass yourself any further by talking about the percentage of body fat.

Usyk beats guys based upon his skills and speed, and not on size and power.

He is NOT bigger than Ali.


What about Chris Byrd?

 

F*ckin size queens...

 

The stone in weight doesn’t mean a damn thing.

Usyk beats guys on skills and speed.

Just like Chris Byrd did.

Just like Ali did.


It’s absolutely nonsensical to claim that Ali couldn’t replicate what Usyk has done, and even more nonsensical to have favoured a 40 year old Zhang, who is slow with stamina issues, and who hasn’t beaten anyone of top quality yet.

 

Jesus, 25 people have voted for Zhang.

A guy with slow feet and stamina issues, who has only beaten Joyce twice.

Bizarre.