What's next for Lomachenko?

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  1. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Unless one believes that Loma somehow lost his nerve, as the "but Stevenson yo!" morons insist, despite an entire career of that kid running towards and not away from smoke, then it becomes very obvious that there's something else at play in Loma's decision to decline/postpone a proposed fight with Stevenson.

    Indeed, from a strictly business/career standpoint, his advisors would be guilty of malpractice if they put him in with Stevenson, another young American whom Top Rank would like to make the face of boxing in the next year or two, immediately after the Haney fiasco.

    Loma is no more likely to get a fair shake on the cards against Stevenson, who's also a terrific fighter in his own right, than he was against Haney. So what's the upside in accepting what would almost certainly be a competitive affair that you have virtually no chance of winning on the cards irrespective of what happens in the ring?

    That perception will no doubt color Loma's matchmaking calculus moving forward.
     
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  2. Fourth_Horseman

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    Loma proves nothing in fighting Kambosos. Loma should go after Tank or Shakur.
     
  3. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well said.
     
  4. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He should stop fighting opponents significantly bigger unless he wants to PED like Pacman.
     
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  5. steviebruno

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    Sooooo.... retirement, then?

    17-3 and ducking title shots at age 35. Time to hang it up. He did "okay".
     
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  6. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    “Okay” lol, he did great, fastest to world titles in three weight classes. Forced four straight opponents to quit on the stool. Got robbed against Haney. A brilliant boxer and HOFer.
    Loma is a legend and every boxer knows it. Both Lopez and Haney have run from rematches with him as they know they’ll lose. Again, why fight Stevenson only to get robbed on the scorecards. The fix is in and Loma needs to stop American fighters in order to win. Unfortunately, he is small for 135 and doesn’t have that power. He still wants all the belts and Haney has them all still.
     
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  7. Sonny1

    Sonny1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Salido also ran from the rematch. Wanted nothing to do with it.
     
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  8. Goran_

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    Kambosos is a bum Hughes schooled him
     
  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Firstly, Crawford might be five months older than Loma but he has way less miles on his clock, is obviously much bigger than him, took up the sport aged 7 years of age compared to Loma being 4 years of age, and he had way way less amateur fights (70 compared to Loma's 400 + including the WBC)

    Loma has become very injury prone in his 30s and had to undergo multiple surgeries on career threatening injuries. I can't even recall hearing about Crawford being injured, let alone having to undergo surgeries.

    And in complete contrast to Loma who is tiny for his third division, is routinely giving away huge physical advantages at that weight, and even down at 126 and 130 he was often giving away weight/reach or both, has rarely been the bigger man, and has fought lots of punchers, many bigger or much bigger than him

    Crawford was gigantic for 135, very big for 140, big for 147, has been rehydrating lots of weight at all three of those weight classes, much more than Loma did at his first one, has rarely been the smaller man (even in his third weight class), has often had a significant weight, reach or both advantage, has never been at a reach disadvantage in any of his world title fights, let alone a near six inch one, and has barely fought any punchers

    How many times has Crawford been outweighed by 2 or 3 divisions? I'll confidently wager never.

    How many times has he even been outweighed by 1? Not many.

    Even up at 147 he weighs roughly the same as his opponents and I would hazard a guess the most he would ever have given away to any of them would be about 5lbs.

    Loma is routinely outweighed by 2 or 3 divisions and it was 4 against Haney whilst giving away reach all the time, almost always a significant amount, and often a huge amount

    Fighting opponents much bigger and heavier than you all the time, and lots of big punchers or KO artists much bigger than you, is going to take more of a toll on your body than the reverse.
     
  10. Serge

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    As for what he should do regarding his career. He should retire. Anyone who knows anything about him knows his dream has always been to become undisputed which is the reason he's moved up in weight in the first place - because the other champs at those weights openly ducked him or wanted nothing to do with him or fights against them couldn't be made for whatever reason.

    He didn't move up in weight because he was a massive weight bully who was huge for the weight and was rehydrating a ton of weight like many others


    And don't forget that he's the one who put in all the hard work unifying three of the four belts individually on the road in a division full of giants he doesn't belong in and then he fell at the final hurdle of achieving his dream against a the way bigger murderous punching Teofimo who didn't belong in the division either but for the complete opposite reason. That would've been incredibly demoralizing.

    Massive weight bully Teofimo who like Haney looks like the living dead on the scales won three in one fell swoop in his own backyard with a home ref and three home judges off a blown up 126 pounder he's way bigger than.

    Haney won them all in one fell swoop against Kambosos who is the biggest champ he's fought but he still weighed a lot more than him

    Then after that Loma had to regroup and start from scratch again and when he did so he was cruelly denied his place in history when he was robbed against yet another gigantic 135 pounder massive weight bully in Haney who weighed 20lbs more than him in, you guessed it, Haney's backyard with a home ref and three home judges in tow which, as I've explained a million times, only happens in one country in the world for world title fights and it's extremely commonplace

    Now that chicken**** Haney has ducked the rematch people expect an old 35-36 year old Loma to start from scratch again, to try and win the belts all individually again on the road in the US after he's already been robbed twice over there and he knows the same fate very likely awaits him again should he do enough to get his hand raised.

    One of the three US judges scored his fight against GRJ a draw even though it was one-sided ass whooping

    One scored the Teofimo fight 119-109 even though Loma clearly swept the vast majority of the rounds in the back half of the fight

    One of the three US judges gave Nakatani 2 rounds even though it was a one-sided brutal massacre

    Loma got to go through all these killers like Teofimo, Haney, Twink who he would've fought had the later not been ducking him like crazy for seven years, Shakur etc. even though, as said, he's a tiny for the division and is a blown up 126 pounder who is routinely giving away huge physical advantages at that weight that no one else in the P4P top 10 is least of all any of them

    And they're all bigger or much bigger than him

    And as said he's got to fight them in their country with their obligatory home ref and three home judges

    Meanwhile none of these clowns are fighting each other or facing opponents who weigh 2-3 divisions more than them (or 4 in Haney's case).

    Most of them aren't even beating champs their own size or 1 division more than them FFS, let alone ones who weigh 2 or 3 divisions more than them with close to six inch reach advantages :facepalm:

    Haney hasn't ever beaten a single world champ close to his size yet

    Shakur never defended his belt at 126 because he was massive for the weight and he only managed 1 at 130 IIRC before he lost his title on the scales due to not being able to make that weight :facepalm:

    Loma never once received an opportunity to avenge any of his losses even though they were all against opponents who weighed 2 or 4 divisions more than him and one should be a win and the other a DQ win or a win on points at absolute worst and the only reason he has 2 of those losses is because of corruption rearing its ugly head again :facepalm:

    Do you have any idea how demoralizing all that must be, let alone for a 35 y/o past prime vet who has spent 30 years of his life doing grueling training and fighting for most of that time? :facepalm:
     
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  11. Serge

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    ''Terence Crawford older than Loma, is he old? No,” said Haney to a group of reporters recently. “They not saying that he old, don’t say that Loma's old. Now all of a sudden he got old overnight.”

    --- Devin Haney

    Floyd 2019: ''Lomachenko needs to fight as many fights as possible, extremely quick!, because he's very very old''

    Tank 2019: ''Loma an old man. I'll retire him''

    Devin Haney 2020: ''Loma is too old too slow''



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    Shakur Stevenson

    Interviewer: ''You saw Loma recently, how was that?''

    Shakur: ''Yeah I seen him. He looked small. That's what I really was thinking. He's tiny for 135, I just moved up and I felt way bigger than Lomachenko''

    Interviewer: ''He's like a natural featherweight''

    Shakur: ''I think he should go back down. I think he'd be a lot better at 130''

    "Devin is too big. Like, I think the size ... don't get me wrong, Lomachenko can fight. Devin is way out of his weight class. He's going to make 35 and then shoot up to 150 or 160 nine times out of 10, and Lomachenko is going to be 137 or 138, so it's just not even fair to me."

    “I think he [Devin Haney] smokes Lomachenko.


    “I didn’t like the way he looked against Ortiz. I saw him in the gym two or three weeks ago, he looked like a 126lb fighter, he doesn’t look like a 135lb fighter.

    “I think Dev is too long and tall.”
     
  12. UniversalPart

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    Loma is at that age where he is no longer a curiosity or a large draw so Top Rank are going to sacrifice him.
     
  13. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    The way his career has been managed legitimately saddens me. He spent 4-5 years in the amateurs just to get an extra gold medal, when he should have just turned pro the moment he got one in 2008. Instead he waited until 2013 and turned pro while almost 26, most greats have already won titles at that age. But fine, that's still manageable, far from the end of the world if he is active and fights frequently. But instead of that, he decided to just do 2 measly fights per year while knowing he had a limited amount of time. He only has himself to blame for that.

    I mean, I get it, fighting at the top consistently is going to wear you out. But the likes of Piriyapynio, Rodriquez and Koasicha are the type of fighters that most greats would get rid off in 3 months tops as warm ups for a bigger fight. Loma on the other hand defeated the then unproven Russell in mid 2014 for just a vacant title, and then Martinez in late 2016, while fighting those guys in between for 2 years. It took him until he was almost 29 to officially beat a legitimately solid name that we knew was good at the time, since Russell could have been a bum for all we knew. Robinson at that age was already the GOAT Welterweight with the amount of quantiy and quality of names he had beaten.

    And then after Lopez, it took him literally 3 years to fight for the titles against Haney. Against Nakatani, Commey and Ortiz, far from a murderer's row of opponents. Was fighting Ortiz really worth a year of inactivity ? Again, most greats would take care of those guys in 1/3 of the time Loma did, and I don't think Loma was incapable of beating them in 2021 alone. And given the reputation Loma had at the time, it should have been manageable to get fights against guys like Garcia, Kambosos, Cruz etc in 2022, if he were to fight Haney in 2023 like actually did. That way, even with Loma's loss to Haney, despite what one may think of the decision, he would at least have defeated almost every one else worth of note.

    But that's not what happened, and it's really sad. Lomachenko should have done more given his ability, but at the end of the day, he is just an underachiever, as much as some may want to deny that and use Haney as a scapegoat. I remember all the talk about him beating so many good names while only having such few fights, and how he would do this and that, and I always just kept thinking that he would not have many fights by the time he is done anyway. Almost everyone was expecting him to have one of the best careers ever, but it was just never in the cards. Inactivity is the worst thing to happen to a fighter, because he literally does not fight, and it has sadly become the norm in professional Boxing. And it doesn't show its ugly face until it happens to a great talent.
     
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  14. hoopsman

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    This.

    The kid is a future first ballot HOFer in just 20 fights and had he received the nod on the cards against Haney, a fight most impartial observers felt he won, we'd be discussing ATG status.

    But since most of the anti-Loma animus is emotionally based, no amount of reason or logic will ever register with the "but Stevenson yo!" crowd.
     
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  15. Bofo24

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    Dream match with Pacquiao, pro, exhibition, for charity, etc. Just match the last purse vs that Korean guy or likely higher.