What is next for heavyweight? Wilder-Joshua maybe in febuary/march, Usyk-Hrgovic still not ordered.

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  1. JackTheChamp123

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    After Zhang Joyce 2, there is some kind of tingling anticipation - we want more fights!
    • Wilder-Joshua by Hearn is going to be in Febuary/March
      • meaning Joshua will have december fight (said by Hearn), and that wont be big heavyweight
      • maybe Anderson? or are they betting on Usyk ditching IBF belt to set up AJ vs Hrgovic
    • Fury-Usyk - again Fury denied Usyk because "no money"
      • Fury is not gonna fight any mandatories (said by WBC president) so he is out for the time being
      • It could be Zhilei Zhang, but who is to know
    • Usyk has to defend 3 belts against mandatories; and they are:
      • Filip Hrgovic (IBF) - 4 years since IBF had mandatory, Usyk has no opponent, but IBF is not ordering next in line for the title shot, I wonder why
      • Zhilei Zhang (WBO) - battered British hypejob, a lamb meant for feeding Tyson Fury, he wants Fury, will it happen, if not he could be next for Usyk if Usyk decides to ditch IBF belt, or somehow jump around Hrgovic
        • For the first case it could be what Hern said - AJ vs Hrgovic for IBF belt
    • Jared Anderson
      • obviously something is happenih with him, he is being hard pushed in ratings, top 10 in almost all ranking, and since last update he is number 2. under Anthony Joshua by WBO ladder
      • his managment wont throw him with no-names anymore, at least I think, he might be thorwn at Makmudov or Bakole or Sanchez
      • or it could all be for show, having him beat 40 no names like Wilder, and when all of the top Heavyweights retire, he will attack the title, meaning another fake champion like Wilder
    • Andy Ruiz
      • he wants all the top names, demanding with money, thinks he is someone, how will he get fights I dont know
      • He got out of negtionations with Hrgovic after stalling for 2 months, ducking him 3rd time
      • Wilder priced himself out, but still Andy could have at least ask for 60/40, compromise
      • If he doesnt fight top name (at least Anderson) he will be forgotten
     
  2. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who cares about softball Usyk, Hrgovic vs. Zhang II is the Real Deal, and I would like that fight to happen...
     
  3. JackTheChamp123

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    it is better for them to hold heavyweight hostage and force good fights, if they fight eachother, one falls into oblivion and that means the likes of Joshua, Wilder, Ruiz, Parker, Ortiz, even Anderson can breathe easy
    • WBC road to belt is blocked by Fury, and top WBC contenders are Joshua, Wilder and Makmudov in other words great barriers
    • IBF road is blocked by Hrgovic - Zhang/Hrgovic fight would let AJ or Wilder attack the belt
    • WBO road is blocked by Zhang - Zhang/Hrgovic fight would let AJ or Anderson attack the belt
    • WBA has Charr, but that mandatory wont be activated for at least 2 years
    Hrgovic-Zhang is just 1 fight, why not have 4-5, aside from AJ, Usyk and maybe Wilder, nobody is up to those guys level
    • Parker outclased by both
    • Ortiz outclased by both
    • Anderson beat to pieces by both
    • Makmudov is competitive, but not superior
    • Whyte is finished
    • Hunter is finished
    • Joyce is finished
    • Doubois is outclased
    • Ruiz fight will never happen, maybe competitive
    • Sanchez outclased
    • Kabayel outclased
    • Agayaba outclased
    • Bakole is a coward
    Zhang-Hrgovic fight would let one of those fraud into relevancy again
     
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  4. Svoboda

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    Curiosity: why did you label Bakole a coward? I musst have missed something...
     
  5. JackTheChamp123

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    Ducked Hrgovic, then ducked Makmudov
     
  6. like a boss

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    Joshua being talked about by Hearn for December 23rd card but that card, again according to Hearn, will feature Benn-Eubank. So don't hold your breath.

    Assuming Joshua does appear on December 23rd, I suspect he will be matched against another risk assessed, fringe contender. Someone like Kabayel, perhaps?

    Look for Joshua-Wilder to just get pushed further and further into the distance again because if the IBF are true to their word and strip the winner of Fury-Usyk, they will be looking to make Hrgovic-Joshua for the vacant title.
     
  7. CroBox29

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    Hrgovic stated that he would like a fight at the end of the year and a fight against Joshua would be ideal, both of them fought in August so this would be great..
     
  8. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Would be a good matchup but chances of it happening this year?
     
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  9. Rollin

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    Anderson is not being fed to Sanchez, Bakole, or Makhmudov. They would relish the opportunity to literally catapult their careers through an American hypejob.
     
  10. CroBox29

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    To be realistic, the chances of that fight happening are pretty slim...
     
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  11. kostya by ko

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    Isn't Mak-Bak being set up for the undercard of Fury-Usyk?

    I think Fury/Ngannou just needs to run its course. That's it.

    The only thing that might resolve this mess is the fact that no-one is actually making any money from
    inactivity. Media antics and talk about potential possibilities don't bring in much revenue.
     
  12. JackTheChamp123

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    No, Makmudov is fighting no name, and Bakole is fighting 45yo Takam
     
  13. CroBox29

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    Bakole is an excellent fighter in terms of quality and technique above Hrgovic and Wallin...
     
  14. kostya by ko

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    Yes, but both fights are a possible showcase to set them up for the Usyk/Fury card, as I understand. But I can't recall where I read that, and I could be wrong.
     
  15. BlackDog

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    Nobody knows what happend in Wilder vs Joshua case.
    Theoretically Wilder should want this fight more than Anthony. Who is problem now? For years it was Wilder but no idea.

    Truth is that Wilder is inactivy, old dude now. He will be 38 at 2024 and got 1 round for 3 years or smth...

    Joshua must be carefull now. He cant lose again quick and with his mental and strong competition its possible.

    Usyk will wait for Fury now
    Fury whos got no ambiton. They will block all belts fight for long now.

    Anderson? Ruiz?
    XD