Can Jermell Charlo redeem himself from his embarrassing loss to Canelo?

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  1. drenlou

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    Not me shaddy. I called it to a tee.
     
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  2. The Cryptkeeper

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    That’s fair but let’s not pretend that Charlo “fought” Canelo. He turned up to cash out and not get hurt.

    Bud and Tszyu would have actually shown up to fight. And that is the difference between those two guys and coward Charlo.

    And that is also why both Bud and Tszyu beat Charlo. They’ll take it to him knowing that at the first sign of a war Jermell Charlo will run for the hills.
     
  3. The Cryptkeeper

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    Most of us thought Charlo would get knocked out on the premise that he’d actually show up to fight. In order to win a fight, a fighter must leave themselves open to being hit. Charlo had no intention of getting hurt and as a consequence never threw hands.

    The line that you are peddling that Charlo fought smart is wrong. And not only is it wrong, I am calling you out for being disingenuous with that narrative.

    Charlo never fought smart, he fought scared. And deep down I think you know that even if you won’t admit it.
     
  4. shadow111

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    Do you want a freakin medal?

    Yes you were proven right by how one-sided it was, but I'm not gonna apologize for expecting more from Jermell. He fought more cautious than he has in the past. What I saw last year in the Castaño rematch gave me every reason to believe he would give Canelo a good fight. "That" Jermell didn't show up, there's a fine line between fighting wreckless, being smart but competitive, then being too cautious.

    I think a big part of the problem was that he put on too much weight and it slowed him down, he should have came in the low 160s like his trainer said. Instead Jermell decided to bulk up too much. Then people were shocked at how much faster Canelo was than him. Jermell putting on weight was like saying "when I get hit, I'll be able to absord it better" rather than staying light and focusing on not getting hit and just outboxing the dude which he's capable of. But he had to be on his game, he had to prepare a certain way.

    Also I became less confident in his ability to be competitive when I heard him talking about weighing in close to 168, putting on the maximum amount of weight possible, etc, despite what his trainer said. When I saw him at the weigh-in, my expectations of him being competitive were reduced. That's partly when I didn't comment after the weigh-in. I had a bad feeling about the way he prepared, rather than coming in lean, ripped, and ready, he clearly decided to just over eat and put on the maximum amount of weight possible. That was not how in my mind he was gonna be competitive, and it showed in the ring.
     
  5. drenlou

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    I don't want a medal, I want a refund from youuuuuuu! :lol: I have Zelle, Holla.

    I've been telling you this fight was a mismatch for months and that the weight was an issue. Lol
     
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  6. shadow111

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    And my expectations / hopes that he would be competitive had to do with him coming in lean, ripped and ready. He decided to overeat and blow up in weight which was dumb. There's weight classes for a reason, but when moving up, you don't have to weigh as much as possible. Same problem Canelo had when he moved up to 175, instead of coming in lean and ripped at 170 or 171, he decided to weigh-in at 174/175, and he looked much slower. He ended up being outboxed by Kovalev for 10 rounds, with a very low output until he got the KO. And against Bivol he gassed hard after the 4th round.

    It's the same concept. Fighters moving up in weight shouldn't feel a need to come in at the full weight limit of the weight class they are fighting at. Because then they become slow and lethargic. Jermell knew this, he was warned about this, but stupidly did it anyway. Same thing Canelo did when he moved up to 175. When Mayweather moved up to 154, he weighed in around 150, he didn't just over eat to come in at 154. When RJJ moved up to Heavyweight, he didn't try to weigh the same weight as John Ruiz, he came in light (for Heavyweight) because it would have slowed him down too much to put on more weight needlessly. That's the main mistake Jermell made, if he came in lean, ripped and ready, he would have had more energy and would have been far more motivated to take more risks and leave it all on the line.
     
  7. shadow111

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    The weight was only an issue because Jermell made it an issue, by over eating and putting on too much weight. I've been saying he needed to come in light to maximize his advantages.
     
  8. shadow111

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    I didn't sell you on the fight because you repeatedly told me you're not buying it. Even after the weigh-in you said you were only 20% excited about it or something. You clearly weren't sold on it, you clearly didn't expect anything from Jermell, despite anything I said, so stop playing and pretending you did. :lol:
     
  9. The Cryptkeeper

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    You’re basically saying that Charlo didn’t try to win the fight because he was too fat.

    When we break down that word salad that’s what your defence of Charlo amounts to.

    I don’t know which is more embarrassing, Charlo running scared for 12 rounds or your justification of it.
     
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  10. drenlou

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    I got cash app and venmo too bruh.. so you have a few options to consider. lol
     
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  11. elmaldito

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    spence vs charlo at 154 is the perfect fight. I have a feeling spence is his daddy.
     
  12. shadow111

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    Where did I try to Justify it? LOL I made it clear that I expected more out of Jermell. I'm just trying to make sense of WHY it happened. I made it pretty clear in the build up that his best chance was to come in light. It worried me when he started talking about coming in at 168. Then the weigh-in happened, and I didn't have much confidence at that point because I saw how ripped and ready Canelo was, and I saw how not ready Jermell looked. Then what happened, happened and I can't say I was surprised given how it looked at the weigh-in. You're acting like I guaranteed it would be a FOTY or something. I was hoping for a good fight but knew Jermell had to approach it a certain way, and when it was clear that he didn't, my expectations were not what they originally were. I'm still a Jermell Charlo fan though, but I'm not happy that he failed to give Canelo the kind of fight that he was capable of.
     
  13. shadow111

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    You're a grown ass man. You make your own financial decisions, I got nothin to do with that.
     
  14. drenlou

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    Or a check will do... :lol:
     
  15. shadow111

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    The problem with this argument is you have no clue how Bud or Tszyu would fight Canelo. And if they did show up to fight, they both probably get KTFO then Jermell looks like a genius for taking the safe route. Now Bud is using what happened here to pretty much duck Jermell at 154. As if what happened on Saturday has anything to do with what would happen if Bud and Jermell fight at 154.

    We always hear how there's weight classes for a reason, yet it's funny how now nobody gives Jermell a chance at 154 vs Tim or Bud, because of what happened . . . at 168? But I thought there was weight classes for a reason. Bud's never fought at 154 before, and Jermell has never fought like he did vs Canelo in any of his fights at 154.

    Bud's clearly ducking Jermell now because he doesn't want to fight a guy that just got dominated by Canelo. But at the same time, Jermell is still a 3-belt Champion at 154 so if Bud has plans to campaigning at 154, he needs to see Jermell Charlo.

    And I would give Jermell Charlo (if he can still make 154 safely) a great chance to beat Bud at 154. The thing about Charlo is that he's got a hell of a chin and Bud does not hit as hard as Canelo does. Against Bud, at 154, Jermell Charlo ain't gonna fight kittens only, he gonna bring out back the lions only because he ain't got the respect for Bud like he did Canelo. A lean, ripped, ready Jermell Charlo is still a problem for anyone at 154. And for people who say he won't be able to make 154 safely anymore, that remains to be seen.