Fury v Usyk breakdown

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  1. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    I've been watching previous fights from these 2 in the past few days trying to work out how this fight will go and where it will be won and lost.

    Usyk is an outstanding fighter, as well as the southpaw conundrum, his footwork, punch selection, stamina and ring IQ are outstanding.

    What really impresses me as a heavyweight is that the tactics of Joshua and Dubois must have been to get in close and rough Usyk up with their physical advantages, the fact that they couldnt do that at all speaks volumes about Usyk.

    Usyk is a master at making opponents fight his fight, he is brilliant fighting at mid range, he avoids clinches from bigger opponents and they also end up becoming exhausted during the fight because Usyk has enough sting in his punches to keep them off and then fighting at this mid range exhausts the heavier opponent because they dont get breathers in the clinch and cannot land big enough on Usyk to break the pattern / rhythm of the fight. I was hugely impressed against Dubois because I actually rated Dubois much higher than the vast majority and thought Usyk was majestic in breaking up his opponent.

    I think what Usyk fans need to understand about Tyson Fury though, is that Furys boxing IQ, adaptability, and ability to fight in adversity is significantly higher than the likes of Joshua, Dubois, and Chisora.

    Where Usyk is the master at fighting at mid-range, Fury is a master at fighting both at long range (Klitschko, wilder 1, Whyte) with excellent use of the jab and check left hook and is also now a master at fighting close range (Wilder 2 & 3) using his weight effectively, leaning on and then bringing up sneaky uppercuts inside.

    I think the biggest factor in this fight, even more important than the southpaw factor, is what range the majority of the fight is fought at. If Usyk can again fight at mid-range then I dont think any fighter at heavyweight can beat him barring maybe a freak Wilder bomb.

    The big difference in this fight for me is that Fury is vastly superior to Joshua and Dubois in so many important aspects - jab, adaptability, inside game, ring IQ, fighting in adversity, stamina, mental strength, belief. I think Fury will be the first heavyweight that manages to take Usyk away from fighting his fight, I think the vast majority of the fight will be at both long range and with Fury being the 1st fighter since Chisora to spend a large chunk of the fight up close as well at short range, using all his weight on Usyk and as a consequence I think we will see Usyk tire down the stretch leading to a 116-112 type of decision or late stoppage in Furys favour.
     
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  2. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Tyson Fury is not only on a different level but a different planet compared to the men Usyk has fought.

    Usyk will try and come his classic stick and move and quickly will find out he's in the deep end with a blue whale that's going to swallow him whole. He'll do ok for 4 rounds, he starts fast quick feet and hands but the feints will disappear as they're worthless against Fury and the feet will slow and that will be all she wrote.

    I suspect Fury will crack him down the middle hurting him pretty badly and everyone is going to be shocked like "how come nobody else could do this, Fury isn't a puncher" then Usyk will back up to the ropes behind a high guard ring circling to compose himself whilst taking big looping body punches off Fury who will then maul him maybe bite off an ear or two.
     
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  3. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The first 4 rounds will be interesting to me. Usyk takes these to warm up essentially. Fury is at his worst in the first 4 against southpaws. He didn't start throwing his right hand more until the middle of the fight against Wallin. What he does better than AJ though is the footwork. AJ was constantly letting Usyk get his lead foot to the outside in the rematch, one of the major things you're not supposed to do against a southpaw.
     
  4. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    Excellent point about the footwork, it was very interesting to just watch the feet of Usyk and Joshua, and it was a huge factor is Usyks success in that fight. It's another area where I feel Fury will be superior to Joshua in ring smarts and ring IQ, even Furys adaptability to be able to fight southpaw at times too.

    You have to remember that was Fury still adapting back to the weight in his 4th fight after ballooning to 28 stone v Wallin, and also fighting in desperation after picking up that horrific cut in the 3rd round. It was also Fury before Sugar Hill, and again it was an example ahain of how Fury fights in adversity to turn things round.
     
  5. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There will no doubt be countless breakdowns from many sources of how this Undisputed fight goes,the only thing that matters is how the actual fight does go and who actually wins it. Breakdowns are nothing more than somebody’s personal opinion and that does not decide who wins the fight .
     
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    100 percent, there will no doubt be many different factors that will sway it on the night that people dont even mention, I just think the range the majority of the fight takes place in is gonna be a massive factor in who wins.
     
  7. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Wrong.

    P4P, Usyk's resume s**ts all over that of Fury. Not only that, but Fury is well-known to struggle against smaller, mobile guys and southpaws (and no, don't give me the "it was a long time ago, Fury is much better now" BS - a ten years younger, 30 lbs lighter, faster, more mobile and agile Fury was absolutely schooled by someone who is a fraction of what Usyk is as a fighter which means an older, slower, heavier Fury will go through hell against Usyk). On the other hand, Usyk eats bigger guys for breakfast. Even as an amateur, he murdered bigger guys. Do you think Fury will be the first 6'7 guy who is moving a bit better for his size that Usyk faces? Mate, in 400+ amateur fights in the EE tournaments and gyms, Usyk seen and fought every size, style, everyone out there. You have to understand that things you are impressed by as a mere boxing fan (Fruy's size, Wilder's power) just don't register on the same level with Usyk. His thinking is like "yeah, I remember that Romanian guy from that tournament who was like Fury" and then he remembers how he beat them. There are insane guys in the EE amateur circles - if you think Fury or anyone is so unique that nobody comes close to them, you are wrong. The amateur circles are full of all type of fighters, styles and sizes, even excellent talents who for some reason or another, never make it to the pro ranks.

    Long story short: Usyk is comfortable beating bigger guys than him while Fury struggles badly against smaller movers like Usyk. That, and also the fact that even as a CW, he battered Wlad, Fury's best win, in sparring.

    Remember what Rahman, probably the most knowledgeable former HW champ said: Usyk beats Fury because anything Fury can do in the ring Usyk can do too - only better.
     
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  8. Salty Dog

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    Against my better judgement I'm starting to get psyched for this fight. Fury better not wuss out.

    :dunno
     
  9. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Damn sounds like Fury might need to bring 3rd maybe even 4th gear! Damn Usyk might even KO Him! OOOO SCARY. I'm really worried!

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  10. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    Sh1t, this is a Usyk nuthugger right here :yikes:
     
  11. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    If Usyk beats Fury he deserves a statue
     
  12. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    I think you are mistaken if you think Usyk taking care of a few big opponents in the amateurs means Usyk will take care of Fury. The overall package of what Fury brings to the table means this is the hardest fight of Usyks career by far and if Usyk pulls it off he will deserve all the praise he can get, plus a huge jump in his ATG ranking.

    Thinking that this version of Fury is the same one that Steve Cunningham was able to outbox is madness though, to think Fury will walk in v Usyk that crude, that unbalanced, that disrespectful and unpolished is nuts, usyk would beat that version of Fury 100 percent.

    What Sugar Hill Steward has done for Fury is the same as what Manny Steward did for Lennox Lewis and Vladimir Klitchsko, he took an unbalanced fighter with high potential, sorted out his footwork and balance problems, taught him to sit down on his punches and produced a much more polished fighter.
     
  13. HEADBANGER

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    Usyk will rightly be praised to the hilltops if he pulls this off. In terms of the heavyweight division, these 2 are absolutely streets ahead of the whole division in terms of adaptability, in fight adjustments, and boxing IQ.
     
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  14. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Yeah, you look it, mate. But don’t worry. It won’t be long now. Your recovery might take a while after Usyk shatters saggy tits and your world with him, but at least you will be sober to see how you wasted your life away hyping that worthless POS up for a decade.
     
  15. BlackDog

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    I recommend only one think.
    Go to boxrec and find when Tyson Fury fight with quicker opponent.
    10 years ago- Steve Cunningham. One of the most difficult fight in his career which he won by disgusting faul after being floored and clinching festival.

    I dont know how fight end and whether Usyk will find a way to make up for the size difference but I m pretty sure that Fury compare to Usyk will be slow as fu...

    A special now when Fury weigh 135 kg and going to his fight with shape like that Im pretty sure he will have big problem with Usyk speed. And for me it is more than likely that Usyk can deliver more punches than Fury.

    And remeber. Usyk is much, much better boxer than Steve Cunningham. Much better.