Fury v Usyk breakdown

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  1. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    It's always weird when a poster develops an unhealthy obsession for another poster like this, one more unwarranted attack on Miniq and I'll be issuing you with a ban from this Team Elite Superthread.
     
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    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    I'm trembling with fear.
     
  3. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    You honestly think Furys fight 10 years ago iv Cunningham s relevant to Usyk fighting Fury today?

    It kind of reminds me of the logic David Haye was using about Vladimir Klitchsko's performance v Lamon Brewster 10 years before Haye met him as the reason why Haye would triumph in their encounter.
     
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    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    Theres no need for fear, on Team Elite Superthreads we debate the boxing fraternity like noble, round-table gentlemen.

    A swift apology to Miniq and we shall sweep this under the table and start from a clean slate, where we shall continue to engage in further cutting edge discussion & analysis
     
  5. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    It's quite a casual thing to argue that it is NOT relevant. To beat Usyk, you need mobility, movement, balance and speed. The guys that made Usyk's life were agile and mobile guys not taller than him and keen to take the fight to him in the pocket. That is absolutely not what Fury is about as a fighter. He simply can't get as low as Briedis without compromising his balance and opening himself up to be countered, especially against a quick southpaw.

    All those attributes, speed, mobility, agility, light feet, go awaay with age. Fury can't box like he boxed against Klitschko any more. But that's the problem for him. He would need that style, that bouncing-on-the-tiptoes, now-you-see-me-now-you-don't style he had 8-10 years ago. That's what could cause Usyk problems since Fury is not small enough, his point of gravity is not low enough to take the fight to him on the inside. Besides, Fury was never a renowned fighter on the inside at all. His forte was always about controlling from the outside and applying his jab. Against a flat footed Wilder this Kronk style of brawling works but Usyk is like the Frankenstein version of Cunningham and Wallin, Fury's two toughest fights to date - only ten times the fighter those two put together.

    So yes, anyone who tries to argue "but the Cunningham fight was so long ago" doesn't understand boxing at all. You don't beat an Usyk with Kronk style and slower feet at 280 lbs. Never in a million years. You do what Fury did against Klitschko and you MIGHT have a chance - because even compared to a prime Fury, Usyk at 36 is still more mobile and agile. It's just simple biomechanics, Usyk's shorter limbs and lower point of gravity gives him that edge.

    Lol. You are funny.
     
  6. BlackDog

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    Not that simple. It just show that Fury can have problem with quick opponent. You can look brilliant with all this boxers but what happend when u will step the ring with boxing genius who is much quicker than You?

    Off course I understand that Fury change. 10 years is many time to learn and add much expirience but You must also remeber what he do to his body in that time.

    Cunningham time is time when Fury use steroids, was much lighter and better shape and train with guy who imo was best for him.

    Now Fury is heavy and move much worse.

    If You think that he go to ring and just clinching, grabbing and win because Usyk will be exosted that's fine for me.
     
  7. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    I wish Usyk could drop Fury like Cunningham did. It would make it an easy tactical fight for Fury. No messing around jib jabbing a midgets head off..Just grab hold of him and break his arms.
     
  8. HEADBANGER

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    To suggest that Fury cant box like his klitchsko performance anymore is nonsense. Watch Fury v Whyte again or even the 9 minutes highlights again for your answer.

    I'm not for a minute suggesting Whyte is as good as Usyk or similar but it bamboozles me when I see posters on these boards try to criticise it.

    Whatever anyone ever says about Whyte he has caused problems to every single fighter hes ever faced, from Joshua to Parker, Chisora, Rivas, povetkin etc. Fury chose to fight Whyte at distance and surgically dismantled him before knocking him out in the 6th, Whyte could not land a glove on him. If Fury chooses to fight long then he can still do that great.

    If this Fury now, was to meet that Cunningham from then and take his challenge seriously then he would absolutely dismantle Cunningham in a one sided beat down.

    Like I say before, Usyks big problem in this fight is that Usyk will not be allowed to fight his own fight and that is because Fury will outbox Usyk from long range and then will tie him up close range and lean all his weight on the back of Usyk continously, mixed in with a constant number of sneaky inside uppercuts whilst hes lent all over Usyk.

    Barring Usyk himself, there is not another heavyweight in the division that comes close to matching Furys adaptability, jab, boxing IQ, footwork, stamina, and ability to fight in adversity. You can quote and bookmark me on this but the length and accuracy of Furys check left hook will be a huge problem for Usyk throughout this fight.
     
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    I cant agree with some of your points, this version of Fury is much better than the one who fought Cunningham. I also think that Fury is a better fighter under sugar Hill than under Peter fury.

    I think Furys attitude going into the Cunningham fight was a joke, just extremely dismissive with zero respect shown, as though he just had to turn up and arrogantly walk through him without giving it a thought about strategy. I find it a little strange how so many Usyk fans cling to this fight because it is a version of Fury you will never see again in so many ways.

    Let me ask you a genuine question, if the Fury of today was to fight the version of Cunningham from back then, how do you see that fight going?
     
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    Totally agree. Fury had zero respect for Cunningham, fought rectlessly and got clipped.
     
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    Yes. Fury show no respect and that's why he was knockdown. But more problem is that he cant come back and win this in normal way. He try to box but he cant. Only physical advantages and massive number of fauls.

    If it only be a matter of disregard he will be win this in better way after knockdown. But he cant and must cheat...

    For me best Fury is Fury from Klitschko fight.
    Today will be probably lose with his prev version on points.
     
  12. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Here is a real technical analysis

    275 pound giant > 220 pound midget
     
  13. HEADBANGER

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    So just to be clear on this, you believe that the 2013 version of Cunningham that Fury fought,beats the 2023 version of Fury?
     
  14. HEADBANGER

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    Of course that's the beauty of Fury, if Plan A isn't working then his adaptability brings in Plan B n Plan c until he finds a way, and if that involves breaking every rule in the book then he is gonna do it. How do you see Furys strategy for this fight?
     
  15. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Well round 1 is classic who can establish their jab...which Fury should be able to do. Usyk tends to fake and fient to the body heavily early on but Fury will and should ignore all that crap and jab his little head off. If not because of Usyk's mobility then Fury is going to press him heavily and lean all over him till round 6 when Usyk will wilt.