Showtime following HBO into Bolivian (discontinuing boxing programming in 2024)

Fulton? WTF did I ever say about Fulton? I never even heard of him until this year?

And, yes, when companies actually want to pay you to distribute your product instead of you having to pay them to distribute it, that's actually BETTER.

 

WAS ... for two weeks every four years.

I think the last Olympic boxing match I watched live was Yoka-Joyce. I downloaded the last Olympic boxing tournament on a hard drive. I haven't gotten to it yet. Did I miss anything?

Didn't think so.

 

Did you just out yourself as a filthy casual who doesn't pay attention to even to one of the more successful champions under the PBC banner? Holy crap you are bad at this.

I agree. Too bad currently...nobody is paying them. And hasn't been for a while. Because they have put on an unwatchable product. Hence, you know, all the pay-per-views. And them currently being homeless. Hope DAZN wins that war because otherwise the Frank Martins and even Boots Eniss' will be kicked to the curb while Canelo and Tank alone get to roll in that sweet Amazon money.

 

I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge I don't give a rat's ass about Fulton or most boxers below 135.

When you attend shows in person, it's difficult to get excited about a fight between people the size of grade schoolers who can't punch.

And, when you have been watching boxing since 1975, you don't tend to worry about every midget who weighs less than a girl who is champ for a year. After about a thousand of them, they tend to be replacable.

Why, where do you have Fulton on your greatest fighters list? Right up there with Wilfredo Gomez I guess? What were his greatest KOs?

On the list of PBC's greatest champs, Fulton isn't near the top, let alone ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.

Moron. I think that's it for you. I've humored you enough.

 

So you don't care where arguably the best boxer in the world who punches like a truck and where inarguably the most exciting fights happen? Good to know yours is an opinion that can be safely ignored I guess.

Congratulations on being old, dumb, and wrong. It's like a trifecta of irrelevancy on top of epic topic changing on a conversation you were 'totally done with'.

Congratulations on looking up Wilfredo Gomez' name, bet that was just a revelation to you. I encourage you to check out his fights. Next I would recommend Salvador Sanchez, Azumah Nelson, and Carlos Zárate, and some of Alexis Arguello's earlier work. Soon you'll graduate to Chocolatito and his amazing fights. Prepare to have your mind blown!

You absolute buffoon.

Considering he was along with Spence and Jermell (and, well, Andy Ruiz too for a hot minute, I guess) the only one of note who was unified and contending against pound-for-pound fighters, I congratulate you on being once again, very stupid and wrong. He at least, didn't lose his title to a cherry pick gone wrong, insist that there was some epic cheating going on, only to get his ass beat again.

Oh please don't deprive me of the pleasure of a conversation with an absolute buffoon who is wrong about everything, ignores meaningful fights, champions a product that nobody watches, and claims that Amazon is in the business of wanting to finance an outfit beyond the only two proven marketable quantities they have left (for now). It has been wildly entertaining in a, "So THESE are the 50,000 losers who still buy Benavidez fights" kind of way.

 

Where do you have Fulton among that list? Moron? Between Gomez and Nelson, or higher?

I have Gomez fights I recorded myself on BETA. Do you know what that is?

Seriously, **** off. I actually knew Genaro Hernandez.

I doubt you've ever attended a fight or boxed in your life.

Everyone who holds a belt isn't great or worth remembering.. And you're the only person I've ever heard think Stephen Fulton was a big deal.

And you accused me of being a fan of his to start this?

 

No no, not until you give me a full report on all those people I just mentioned. I'll be expecting it on my desk by next month. Grammar will be graded.

I know that you just told me you don't care about his weight class so therefore I know you are lying. Nice appeal of authority by citing out-of-date technology, you buffoon. Real slick. Much like those PBC fighters you love...except when they fight actual competition and then get the absolute dog **** beaten out of them. Much like you in this...um...well it used to be a debate. Now it's devolved into you craping your dippers and drooling on your bib.

Knew him so well that you've honored his legacy by spitting on the division he competed in. With a friend like you...

Another lame appeal to authority in an attempt to intimidate. As boring as the fighters you like. Did you record Wilder fights on Laserdisc, too?

I never said he was a big deal, I said he was among the most accomplished in a certain outfit who was contending against pound-for-pound talents, arguably THE pound-for-pound talent. Which is true. Sorry if it's just another shining example of why the outfit you love...kind of sucks and is without a home now.

No, I'm accusing you of being a worthless casual who supports an outfit that has damaged the perception and appeal of boxing despite the product being objectively terrible, and then you took us on a Fulton tangent because "Hey now! I may have been dumb and wrong and citing tv ratings from years ago to say that the same outfit selling only 50,000 PPV buys today is super successful and cool, but I will NOT STAND for being called a fan of the lower weight classes!"

I know it's passed your bedtime grandpa buffoon, but do try and keep up.

 

"You're a casual" ... says the raging guy who only joined the site a couple years ago and hasn't said anything nice about the sport or any fighter in it all day until a moment ago when said nice things about Gomez and Nelson and Zarate.

Just screamed boxing's dead all day long.

Got enraged when I said two global companies are bidding on PBC.

Started hurling personal insults based on nothing.

You'll pick another sport and scream at all the fans in that too, soon.

I was here before you. I'll be here when you're long gone.

Bye forever. You and your opinions are wrong and meaningless. I won't remember you a day from now.

And ... you're blocked.

 

More appeal to authority because you are old, false claims that I haven't said anything nice about a fighter when I said nice things about Fulton in our conversation, by extension Inoue, and literally a whole paragraph of fantastic and recent fights. Good Lord you are terrible at this.

I challenge you to find one time I ever said "boxing's dead." In fact, I believe I said the exact opposite citing growing markets in Australia and Japan with steady markets in Mexico and Europe, especially the UK. I find the concept of "boxing's dying" funny, as fights will always be popular, and people have been claiming the sport's demise since the days of Jack Dempsey. Well, I WOULD challenge you, but...

'Enraged' is a funny way of saying, 'I corrected your incorrect perception on PBC's standings with Amazon who only wants the choice-y bits, and DAZN who they've insulted for years' but no one likes being corrected I suppose.

No, I started hurling them when you started lying and being a condescending *****, trying to detract from current problems with past successes, you deflecting buffoon.

If PBC had fans to scream at...they would still be on Showtime. This has been the whole crux of the argument that you've never addressed and run away from this entire time, while appealing to the fact that you are old enough to marvel at closed-circuit TV like that actually means anything.

You are a coward, by your own admission a terrible friend, a worse advocate for the sport, a petty petulant man-child who needed the last word in a conversation that you repeatedly claimed you were done with, and least forgivable of all, a post-editor.

You were wrong about every opinion you ever had about Showtime, FOX, and PBC, as their fighters lost years of their career and money in their pocket due to inactivity, only to be sent to die against actual fighters like Inoue, Fury and Crawford to make Al Haymon money. Have fun pretending to be a martyr or whatever it is you do in between being an absolute buffoon.

Do tell us when you start recording fights on VHS. My God we'll elect you President Fan for Life!

Remembered me enough to keep editing your post for your totally epic "you're blocked now!" rant.

 

Is this like Joe Rogan's "I have Willie Pep DVD's, but Boxing is dead"?

You just said you didn't care about anything below 135 didn't you? As if those 135 midgets wouldn't be blown to smithereens by a glancing blow from any Heavyweight & people just have to make up mythical bullsh*t like p4p to cope with that fact

Absolute buffoon of a poster

 

Hates them so much he recorded them. On outdated recording devices that he can no longer view, just to let us know he was a super fan "BACK IN THE DAY!! TO THIS DAY!!!"

 

How did this discussion become so centered on PBC? If Top Rank were to become a free agent tomorrow, would HBO or Showtime be scrambling to bring them back into the fold? Hell no. That's the problem.

This is a broader boxing issue in that boxing was a core component of the HBO & Showtime business models and both of them decided the interest didn't justify the investment. That's bad. I hope PBC ends up on Amazon for what surely will be superior production values to DAZN, but boxing never will be a core component of Amazon's business. It's a drop in the bucket and they could exit just as easily as they enter.

Boxing *is* a core component of DAZN's business and ESPN's to a lesser extent (they have to fill the time somehow). And it's the only reason for Boxxer or Fite TV to exist. So all hope is not lost. The question is whether these platforms other than ESPN have the market presence to maintain fans and generate new fans. These YouTube fights and MMA crossover circus matches might cause you to roll your eyes, but boxing needs all the help it can get right now.

 

Leonard is all talk, He would never get in there with anyone you know it, he'll forever be a towel boy.

 

Showtime didn't care to be fooled as Espinoza thought it didn't even matter as long as he was accepted in by being part of the Cool Guys Group staring Al Haymon, Mayweather/Ellerbe friends at his shoulder while they continued to make a mockery out of him & prostituting him all the way to the bank while high fiving each other,

This meant it sinking the whole ship in the process without his worry as Stephens high school traumas just never left him by desecrating his own name ship & the company he worked for, Bravo.

 

NBC,ABC,SPIKE,FOX & now SHOWTIME all for the same reasons, behold what a Resume.