Joshua’s consistent ducking of Wilder and the Wilder-Whyte WBC saga explained

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  1. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Anyone one remember wilder about turning in london on the way to his biggest payday to date
    I do
     
  2. SunKillMoon

    SunKillMoon New Member Full Member

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    I don't think Joshua nor Wilder themsleves avoided fights. Come on!, we know most boxers will have fight.

    It's the promoters and the promise of cash that explains it.
    I wish people would stop stop blaming the fighters. Take your aim elsewhere I'd say!

    Eddie Hearn is a clever fellow where money is concerned.
     
  3. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    Joshua has skill but no heart. Wilder has no skill, but plenty of heart (gullible head case that he is). Both are natural athletes, giants with admirable work ethic. Wilder KO Joshua 7 of 10 times. That's all I have to say about that.
     
  4. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good grief this is stupid.... I guess it also makes Zach Page and everyone else Fury beat look better??
     
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  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "If Wilder sparks out Joshua it make him looks better not Fury"

    Of course it does. If Wilder sparks Joshua in 1 round people will see "Fury went 30 rounds with Wilder, never lost and KO'd him twice, while AJ couldn't even last a single round". It would look fantastic for Fury. People talk about wins "aging well" and "aging badly", this would be a massive example of the former.

    "Joshua dont ducked Wilder."

    Read the first post in this thread. Joshua: "The Wilder fight is too dangerous, I need more time to develop, I'm very worried about being one-punch KO'd, even the Parker fight was scary, I don't want another hard fight, I'll retire if I have one" etc.

    "He dont duck Fury too"

    Hearn admitted they did:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...ucking-of-fury-in-bombshell-interview.694541/

    "He dont duck Ortiz too"

    Matchroom signed undefeated Ortiz in 2016 to keep him away from Joshua. He only got a title fight in 2018 because Wilder stepped up.

    "Its better to lose to Ruiz but take all great fight"

    Sure it is.
     
  6. humbug

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    What isn’t remotely true?
     
  7. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    It’s the financial loss and negative public perception they fear, not tasting the pain of a punch, that’s what’s going on with these guys mentally.

    Most boxing fans are grunts (I’m not necessarily referring to you), they view life from the low brow perspective of how high can you **** up that wall? I bet I can **** higher!!!

    People like Joshua have already gone through that horse****, they’ve ascended, they’re worth hundreds of millions of dollars and walk the earth worshipped by hundreds of millions of people. They fear losing that status.
     
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  8. steviebruno

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    The notion that he felt invincible after his fight with Wlad. He became far more cautious in his approach to matchmaking and more emotionally fragile and reluctant to take punishment in the ring.
     
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  9. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua fears being humiliated (the Ruiz loss being possibly the most humiliating defeat in combat sports history) and he fears taking hard shots from a health perspective. He's talked about how he wants his legacy to be that he retired healthy and said he doesn't want to be in a wheelchair at 50 or 60. Fighting Wilder entails the risk of getting badly humiliated via going el sparko, perhaps in 1 round and there are also brain damage implications.

    Joshua looks depressed to me and gets mugged off by uni kids. But Hearn has him on a lifetime contract so it is what it is.
     
  10. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You mean the same morbidly obese middlewight who beat Ortiz who your glossing over?
     
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  11. BlackDog

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    Can You remind us wich of Wilder opponent got brain damage after fight with him?
    He knockout soo many bums compared to Wilder, he beat Stiverne 12 rounds, Molina 9 and he got few very hard knockout in his record and I dont hear nothing about brain damage. But off course it will happend to top 3 dude in the division when he faced him...

    U probably just trolling or You are just stupid. I only remind You that is known fact that 1 single shoot and knockout is much "healthier" than taking long lasting beating and take many punch like for example Wilder in his 2 fight with Tyson Fury...

    And one more thing. Joshua on contrast to Wilder dont afraid of punchers. He fought with Whyte, he fought with Povetkin (!), he fought with Klitschko (!!).
    U are really sick hater xD
     
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  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Can You remind us wich of Wilder opponent got brain damage after fight with him?"

    Neurological problems usually take years to manifest. Getting sparked out by the GOAT right hand obviously isn't healthy. Whether it's more or less healthy than a prolonged fight against a lighter puncher is unknown but health-conscious Joshua will regard Wilder as being scarier intuitively.

    "he beat Stiverne 12 rounds, Molina 9"

    He was the first to drop Stiverne and won virtually every round. He dropped Molina 4 times, won all but one or two rounds. More recently, Stiverne 2, Breazeale and Helenius all got sparked in 1. Joshua got dropped 4 times and stopped by relatively light puncher Andy Ruiz when he still had his 0, he's not especially durable or mentally strong.

    "He fought with Whyte, he fought with Povetkin"

    Wow. Two guys with poor KO records when Joshua fought them. The Wlad fight is 6.5 years ago and Joshua was noticeably more gunshy post-Wlad, saying "If I have another hard fight like that, I quit. I shouldn't have to go to that place to win".
     
  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He pipped 43 year old Ortiz after having ducked him for years, he demolished Joshua.
     
  14. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    Haha. You are quiet funny.
    Yes. Anthony afraid of Wilder punches even if he cant took health of 40 tommato he fought...
    And yes... Who is Klitschko, Povetkin and Whyte?
    Let me think. That "poor KO" guys were the ones who Wilder avoid for 5 years together and third one is one of biggest punchers in history but this Wilder felt on his own skin when they sparred together because he was wobbled hard and knockedown.
    Maybe that's the reason why he never want fight anybody with big punching power. Even when they offer him 100 millions $$
     
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  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No one with a brain believes the Eddie Hearn narrative anymore that Wilder was afraid to fight Whyte. Wilder's fought much better fighters than 41 Wlad and 39 Povetkin in Fury x3 and Ortiz.

    Helenius aside, why has Joshua been matched exclusively against short non-punchers post-Wlad?

    Takam (no knockdowns or stoppage wins against his ten best opponents)

    Parker (no stoppage wins against his eleven best opponents)

    Povetkin (only Price got knocked down/stopped over a six fight stretch despite Povetkin being a pressure fighter)

    Ruiz x2 (went the distance with a litany of journeymen despite being a pressure fighter)

    Pulev (best stoppage wins were 8+ years prior in 11 rounds against Ustinov and Dimitrenko via a jab)

    Usyk x2 (didn’t drop or stop Glowacki, Briedis, Gassiev or Chisora)

    Franklin (part time factory worker, somehow went the 10 round distance with uber glass chinned journeyman Sour)

    Hearn/Joshua would be wise to stay ducking Wilder.