64 Ali vs 86 Tyson?

Tyson by KO

 

I think it’s a winnable fight for both. But I’m a little skeptical about Ali given that In the fight right before facing Liston he was decked pretty hard by a left hook from Henry Cooper. Mike Tyson’s Left hook was lightening fast and lethal. He was also a master at slipping the jab and cutting off the ring ( at least in 1986 ). Would be a hard fight

 

I really think Tyson would win by a street on points and possibly stop him. It would look like Tyson-Holmes 88 as long as it lasts imo. Horrible horrible match up for Ali.

 

I think Ali edges him. Was tougher than many give him credit for.

 

Ali TKO 14

Mike rocks the hell out of Ali in the early rounds (he was no slow starter like Frazier), a bit like the Shavers fight (just faster, more often, and less powerful). Ali gets away much more often than not, but Mike does score tellingly.

Ali's jab and work-rate go up after four rounds, and Mike learns quickly he can't match him for stamina. He begins taking his time more and trying to load up. Ali slices his face up with the jab, by the tenth Mike has an ugly welt by his eye which he keeps wiping.

His corner deeply worried about the cut, Mike gets a second wind in the 11th and 12th, landing more often. But a lot of the snap is gone, Ali just clowns through it (though Mike wins the 11th).

In the 12th Ali is fully in control again, and lands most of his jabs. 13th features Mike getting his head knocked back, by now both the jab and right are getting in consistently, and Mike is staggered twice. In the 14th Mike is like a zombie, windmilling and taking heartbreaking shots. Ali is picking him apart. A vicious left uppercut puts Mike on the canvas, he gets back up, takes a left-right and the ref saves him.

 

This post resonates with me. The 1964 Cassius Clay takes it after a tough battle.

 

Ali on points

 

Tyson MD.

 

Going against the grain a bit as I dont think this is even close. Style nightmare for Tyson. great jab at his face , lead right , pull counter .. Plenty of options to disrupt that Mike T timing he relied on coming in .. Ali could tie him up at will also and force a reset. Ali was slick as oil and punch resistant. Tyson gets frustrated in this fight with no plan B ... Ali stops him

 

Do you really think a thirty nine year old Larry Holmes coming off three years of inactivity who lost his last two fights to a blown up light heavyweight is a reasonable proxy for a twenty four year old Ali?

 

I don’t think it’s an unreasonable proxy to be perfectly honest, but you can play it off as one if you like.

 

In 1964 Muhammad Ali made Sonny Liston quit on his stool. In 1988 Larry Holmes was 39 years old, was three years removed from his last fight, and had just been beat twice by a blown up light heavyweight. It's like saying the Dave Clark Five are proxies for the Beatles because they're both British bands.

 

Lol talk about dressing it up. Purposefully getting your facts wrong is beyond shameless. Some even say Liston was up on the cards. I’m sure Ali dished up some mediocrity against some right ham and eggers round that time too.

I’ve actually noticed this tendency on the forum where if Larry Holmes does well against a certain opponent then so would Muhammad Ali, but it never seems to work the other way if Holmes doesn’t do well against said opposition.

A 38 year old Larry Holmes was still a very good fighter, but it’s just blatantly obvious that Tyson is a horrible match up for him. Holmes at one point actually got on his bike and did a 60s Ali gig. Tyson easily slipped his jab and hammered his body. No way you can win on points doing that against Tyson.

 

How did I get my facts wrong? Liston
didn't come out for the seventh round, i.e. quit on his stool . If you think a thirty eight year old Larry Holmes who had been retired for three years and lost his last two fights to a blown up light heavyweight is a proxy for the twenty two year old Muhammad Ali who made Sonny Liston quit on his stool there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. It's akin to saying Michael Bolton is a proxy for Tom Jone because they're both male vocalists.