Tyson Luke Fury vs. Francis Zavier Ngannou

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  1. Fury on points

    13.3%
  2. Fury by stoppage

    68.9%
  3. Draw

    1.7%
  4. Ngannou on points

    3.3%
  5. Ngannou by stoppage

    12.8%
  1. elrond_buggard

    elrond_buggard Member Full Member

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    I think it's a bit of both at this point. Fury's certainly looked unprepared in the past (Wallin) then come back to give a lifetime best performance in Wilder 2, but his body is probably ageing faster due to the abuse he puts it through, and the fact is he's only beaten plodding shot fighters in recent years in Whyte/Chisora.

    My general thinking was that he could well have been shot for a while, but it was masked by the state of his opponents, and I though the Ngannou fight would continue masking that until the Usyk fight.

    But Fury looked AWFUL against Ngannou (who deserves credit). I've no doubt he took the fight lightly, but at this point I don't think he can train himself back to top form. Despite the body shot fiasco, I actually thought Usyk looked good against Dubois, continuing to grow into being a HW and punching with more venom.

    Usyk treats his body like a temple, Fury treats it like a dump, and at the age they both are that's going to count for a lot should they fight.
     
  2. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    It did, no doubt.

    But Ngannou does have 35lbs on Wilder.

    Fury outweighed Wilder by almost 40lbs, which played heavily into his strategy of mauling the smaller fighter.

    Not having that advantage against Ng was like kryptonite for Fury.

    Also, in all honest, Furys form just looked much worse in this fight than it did for Wilder.

    So I agree with you but I do think there are minor minor caveats.
     
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  3. Deew

    Deew Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah, Fury looked like an obese pikey from Morecambe against a dedicated and unbelievably motivated and well trained ko machine in there tonight

    I don't think this fight shows us Jack regarding Usyk fight except that Tyson needs a fat camp before fight camp begins
     
  4. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Usyk’s angles and straight left will wear Fury the **** out.

    Usyk within 9
     
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  5. caine

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    Abusing your body with excess alcohol, food and certain substances will always erode any natural god given talents.

    Add into that the simple fact that he is getting older and we have the reasons why he looked so bad against N'Gannou.

    Fury lacked core strength, speed, focus and any plan B once he realised N'Gannou wasn't going to fold or gas after a few rounds.

    If he fights Usyk which looks very unlikely after that terrible display then it is only going one way and that is a straight up beating being delivered by Usyk.

    If Usyk fought N'Gannou it would have been a 10 round shut out for Usyk.

    In the coming week or so I would not be surprised to hear that Fury has retired, he looked a broken man after the fight.
     
  6. slash

    slash Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe there will be a rematch. Fury could get another win without having to train seriously, like he would have to for Usyk.

    "It's hard to get up at 4:00 am for roadwork when you're sleeping on silk sheets"- Hagler Fury is looking to get out of training.
     
  7. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Agreed. Usyk schools both. Badly
     
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  8. kirk

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    Fury vs Ngannou has no relevancy to Fury vs Usyk.
     
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  9. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The difference is that Francis has a better chin and size when it comes to width and muscle volume. Deontay has a basketball player frame.

    That is why Tyson could bully him. Deontay was not as eager as Francis to stay center and control the ring. Ngannou cuts down to hw 265lb in mma. Deontay walks around at 220lb.

    Weight matters and it allows one to take a punch and dominate the clinch.
     
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  10. caine

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    Fury looked totally shot tonight.
    Once he realised N'Gannou wasn't going to gas or fold he had very little to offer.
    Against Usyk he will have to work hard every second of every round and it looks like he just doesn't have it in his body to do it anymore.
    Usyk will break him down and most likely stop him late on in the fight.
     
  11. kirk

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    I would love for Usyk to swoop in and fight Ng though, and show what actual boxing really looks like as he wins by proper stoppage.
     
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  12. kirk

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    Probably still Tyson, in a super ugly, controversial manner.


    Honestly though, at this point I want Usyk to make Ngannou an offer he can't refuse and upstage Fury by showing what competent boxing actually looks like as he schools Ngannou and hopefully stops him late.
     
  13. Diddy

    Diddy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what jab? He barely threw the damn thing. When he did throw it, it landed.
     
  14. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There are about 9 different Tyson Fury’s living in one head and it always remains to be seen which one shows up.
     
  15. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Fury"s condition and prep was poor to non existent in the last Wilder fight and same again tonight but he performed much worse which goes to my notion he's a shot fighter finally paying for his beer and pizza regime. Also part explains why he served up Del3 instead of a contender like a Hrgovic. Ngannou was supposed to be another Del3 meal ticket but was too much for Fury to chew on. Wilder must be embarrassed watching it.
     
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