Tyson Luke Fury vs. Francis Zavier Ngannou

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  1. Fury on points

    13.3%
  2. Fury by stoppage

    68.9%
  3. Draw

    1.7%
  4. Ngannou on points

    3.3%
  5. Ngannou by stoppage

    12.8%
  1. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    It wasn't Ngannou's power that bothered Fury.

    What bothered Fury was he literally couldn't do anything with Ngannou. His best punches were bouncing off him, he was getting over powered in the clinch, he was also getting timed coming in.

    I was saying in the lead up that Fury has never faced anyone as physically strong as Ngannou before and that was the story of the fight.
     
  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  3. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fury has a history of doing poorly in fights where he doesn’t respect his opponent going into the fight. Wallin being a prime example.

    He probably saw this as a move around and was spooked that it was harder than he expected.

    It’s typical Fury.
     
  4. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can’t accurately rank someone who only has had one fight.

    If you goes professional and has 2 more fights then we can start to rank him.

    How does he do against someone who is top 50 and a good boxer? Lets see.
     
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  5. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Fury's true level has been established. Let's hope Usyk and Fury can settle this soon.
     
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  6. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    There are a few scenarios at play:
    1. Fury is just not that good
    2. Ngannou is much better than we imagined
    3. Fury did not prepare
    4. Some kind of fix was in play
    5. Styles make fights

    I'm thinking all of these factors are at play. Fury's win over Wlad was good, but he has done sweet FA since. Francis outdid himself but I do not think he is the best HW in the world. Fury looked fat and was tired after 8 rounds. I'd say Francis was unlucky with the decision but I'm not sure exactly what the purpose of such a fix would be, either to promote Francis or make Fury appear vulnerable against Usyk. Finally, leaning on Francis was not going to work, he could have thrown Tyson to the ground if he wanted, and clearly Ngannou has an iron chin.
     
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  7. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Usyk vs Ngannou woukd show the true levels in boxing. The powers do not want Usyk unleashed on Wilder and co, he will make them look absolutely stupid and the entire fascade that has been erected will come down.
     
  8. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Yes, MMA striking is elite, those boxing purists have been thrown under the bus. That being said, this was an exhibition match in Fury's mind, Fury was out of shape and not taking this seriously, while Francis was heavily motivated as this was his childhood dream to box in such an event. Francis is an elite MMA striker with power, so it was not surprising that he was able to drop Fury, a man who is susceptible to being dropped.
     
  9. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This was a 10 round pro bout?

    Look at Furys record if that decision went the other way this would have been classed a loss.
     
  10. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    I mean Fury treated this like an exhibition match.
     
  11. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. I would call it inconsistent. It’s not the first time Fury has an off night. Against Wallin for example. Fury has been known to fight to his opponents level. That’s a weakness. But it is what it is.

    2. I do think Ngannou is better then he was made out to be. And he got serious power. He was getting ridiculed online, turns out he wasn’t that bad. Also he didn’t just come to grab the money. I think he prepared 100%.

    3. I think Fury looked past Ngannou to the Usyk fight. I think the plan was to get the media circus rolling. Do some light training. Then after the fight train hard for two months to prepare for Usyk.

    Also filming Netflix and meeting with Ronaldo on the couch etc. got to his head. Typically fighters never perform well when they have made appearances in movies/music videos and stuff like that.

    4. I don’t think a real fix was in but I do think the attitude was that if somehow the fight would be close then a rematch is always an option and more money can be made.

    5. Styles do make fights and mauling Ngannou was not going to work. But I don’t think a real plan A/B/C was in place.
     
  12. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He trained 12 weeks to his regular 6 in previous fights. I had bets to this fight and was taping both, I knew coming in that Fury was going to jab himself to a win, as i said in an earlier post, he wasn't going to ko Francis, he played paddy cake boxing and won like most boxers do. Jab-Jab clinch. I knew he was going to respect Francis' power , it doesn't matter who is in there with Francis. Aj WIlder, or Zhang. Its' a different ball game when that big guy touches you and eats your best punches and doesn't bulge.
     
  13. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    You people forget that Francis is not some bar room brawler, the man is an elite MMA striker who takes kicks,knees and punches to the head on a usual basis. It is time to give some respect to MMA striking as it is not all that bad. Fury obviously didn't take this seriously, which is bad, as it tarnishes the sport of boxing. I want to see that melon head get humiliated for his lack of discipline.
     
  14. CaptainFeedback

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    I don't want to hear anyone say Fury is the best in the heavyweight division ever again.
     
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  15. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Fury trying to clinch an MMA fighter was comical. I don't think Fury treated Francis seriously. He was looking ahead to the Usyk fight.