Is Tyson Fury Still A H2H Goat ?

That's part of my spiel Jel. People can be way too emotion based and i see posts and judgments made all day every day based on emotion. There's not much in between. Many just seem to lose their heads when fighters like Fury, Wilder and Joshua are discussed. It's unreal. There were countless people sweating on today and just waiting to unleash even given a slither of an opening. General has totally blown up and would have no matter what the result. Common sense and critical thinking just flies out the window. *Fury not fighting often* and so far not fighting Usyk doesn't change the fact that in all likelihood at this stage of his career he did the bare minimum preparing for this fight.

*Fury's fought 10 times since coming back in mid 2018. In this time period Wilder has fought 6 times. Ortiz has fought 7 times. Joshua has had 8 fights. Ruiz has had 6 fights. Parker has had 11, but of a calibre below Fury's and sometimes domestic based. Usyk himself has had just 7 fights and 2 were at cruiser.

So Fury not fighting very often isn't really often isn't really a valid criticism vs his peers, he's virtually the busiest of all the top heavyweights really and certainly busier than Usyk, Wilder and Joshua. I just see Zhang's had 10.

For sure it's paining people that he hasn't got together with Usyk yet but a while back when everyone was saying it will never happen, not a chance, i posted that i really do believe he will fight him. I still do. Sure it would have been nicer some time ago but if i get it in the next 12 months i'll be pretty happy.

 

How w you know Fury barely trained ?... he himself said after the fight he had twelve weeks in camp and weighed his weight ... the truth is that Fury being the best ever nonsense is exposed as nonsense ... he remains a very game guy with a big heart and has skill and he is a very tough match up based on size and style but he's also not as great as many thought and wrote about lately ... his resume remains paper thin w Wilder and a 39 year old Klitschko as his anchors. He absolutely never thought he'd get that sort of challenge but to be held to a draw ( my opinion) by a zero fight guy in the sport is sobering ...

 

How would you know that he didn't?

He's 9 pounds heavier than last fight and 13 heavier than the fight before. He's can get lazy and indulgent between camps and who really thinks he's going to put himself thru the ringer preparing for a guy without a single pro fight?

It's highly logical he slacked off really.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone seriously claim he is the goat.

 

He NEVER Was, he IS Subpar, a 3rd Rate Fighter, 2cd rate at best.

 

Not gonna lie. Will probably be laughed off the forum but I honestly think if Wilder of the first fight shows up in the trilogy bout, he takes it, and with it the series.

 

Always Lennox. Well said.

 

Definitely,Fergy.

 

Just a thought. Could Fury's sub par performance have been a calculated one? In order to lull Oleksandr Usyk into a false sense of security. A highly risky strategy but Fury does like lo live on the edge. Congratulations to Ngannou. He fought out of his skin. Had a good teacher in MIke Tyson.

 

I think Fury has way too much ego to deliberately look this poor against a pro debutant. I rather think he took N'Gannou lightly and had the 23rd date on the back of his mind.

With that said, huge credit to N'Gannou who looked much better than I expected. It really is a black eye for boxing this. No way around that.

I expected Fury to take N'Gannou lightly but still easily beat him. That's what should have happened but it didn't. N'Gannou deserves big credit for that.

 

To be considered a H2H monster, you have got to have at least been a reasonably, materially demonstrated, H2H monster,in your own era.

Fury doesn’t have the depth or breadth of vanquished opposition to make that claim even in his own time.

 

Behave he never was.

 

If people want to criticize Fury's career choices and the way he's handled himself as a Champion, that's fine. I'm with them.

My 'Groan-o-Meter' burst into flames, even when the Chisora bout was announced, so you can imagine what I thought about a Fury/Ngannou fight. There's a peculiar irony in the fact that this fight has only become interesting because it was a **** show.

I'm not surprised some will use it to dump on Fury. To be frank, from the perspective of his Championship, as you've raised here, he deserves the heavy censure.

It's the attempt to use this event to vindicate long-held viewpoints on Fury's abilities that's a bit of a snipe hunt, in my opinion. But good for YT video monetization for a while, no doubt.

 

Let's be clear, this is not an ATG era...yet. These guys have got to fight each other more, before they're past it. You've got to have fought in a fully competitive era to be considered an ATG, or else it's just banded around too much. Even then, none of them would be near the top of ATG

 

That said, I still believe Fury would be a nightmare for most heavyweights in history.

 

I'm not sure this would have been a conscious calculation, but I certainly think that Fury thrives on being the underdog and, as you say, isn't a stranger to dancing close to the edge. So, maybe, at some level, he's thinking that he can take positives from a closely run contest here.

Either way, a questionable approach and the antithesis of the type of discipline required from a Championship boxer, IMO.