Is Tyson Fury Still A H2H Goat ?

Unfortunately for Fury, he won’t see this as just a bad night and his narrow millennial shoulders won’t be able to take the weight of criticism coming.

 

Yeah, it will be interesting to see how he takes this. No doubting his courage in the ring, but he's fragile outside of it.

 

I have suggested that some people might be premature in their assessments previously.

 

Yes a MASSIVE black eye for boxing,as you say.

 

For me he never was. This i even more true after yesterday's disgraceful performance. A big hit to Fury's and boxin reputation. Will take some time to repair this

 

I can't think of anyone I have seen on Classic actually claim that Fury is the H2H GOAT.

 

Pretty much never was.

General can call Classic full of rose-tinted binoculars, but when you delve into the history of the sport it often humbles you. The depth of the resumes, the amount of fights, the daunting reality of depression and World War era fighters, the sheer cultural iconography of boxing that used to draw flocks of youngsters to the game (Walcott recall kids from his hood often boxing for candies), providing an army of hungry, ambitious soldiers.

Fury might have seem very strong H2h, and still should be, but if you watch enough of those heralded as invincible, you realize how often they succumb to variety of styles, levels of skill and experience, or mental pressure of the top. Great champions are rare and need to be tested.

 

No doubt in my mind that Fury is one of the best heavyweights of the post-Lennox Lewis era - he and the Klitschko brothers being the Top 3 - but I would n't go so far as to call him an all time great at this point in time.

 

So you don't think his performance vs Wilder says much? I mean, Wilder is one of the hardest punchers of any era and is speedy and athletic.

 

But Galento was a top contender of his time that had an iron chin and hard punch. Also, Louis dismantled him after getting up and left him bruised and bloody on the ropes being held up by the referee

 

Fair enough.

Any rating of Fury Head-to-Head relies heavily on subjective assessment.

As a comparison, I'd assume those who rate Vitali K as a H2H monster must rely on the same, given that he lost to his two best opponents and doesn't have a lot on his ledger to make up of for it.

Based on what I've seen, I think the best version of Fury would be a problem for almost every Heavyweight in history. If that's rating him highly Head-to-Head, then so be it.

But the H2H GOAT thing? I don't think I really take that concept seriously, anyway.

 

He weighted essentially exactly what he weighed for the third Wilder fight. Did he also slack off for that fight ? You seem to claim to be an expert on his dedication. He said he trained right after the fight in a rare public moment of humble self reflection. Her didn't gas. He was fresh stamina wise at there end. Period.

He didn't have huge punch output punch because he never was a huge output puncher. He barely average thirty punches a round winning the title vs Wlad and almost all of those were his pitter pats.

A far as you saying you don't think anyone was referring to him as the all time great do a deeper dig. He has been built into an all time great of mythic proportion by many on this site, many other social media boxing hubs as well as and the media based on the Wilder fights , especially the third, his last two cherry picked fights , and his own brilliant self promotion. He has been routinely referred to as an all time great if not the GOAT and almost always the greatest of his generation by far.

Here's the reality on Fury. He is a very good fighter with outstanding size. He can move well, has good footwork and speed. He has decent power. He can box. He has a tremendous heart ,courage and a ton of self confidence. He is a huge challenge for most based on styles. He is also extremely charismatic and a brilliant promoter. That said his entire in the ring resume was a 39 year old Wlad who he outboxed throwing about thirty punches a round because Klitschko aged overnight and could not pull the trigger and Wilder, an extremely dangerous puncher and absurdly limited fighter against whom he was allowed to smother and lean all over using his fifty plus pounds to wear the other guy out ...a strategy specifically effective against the much smaller Wilder. It was also a battle plan many other refs might not have allowed but Fury was able to get away with .. kudos to him there.

One of the things that made the fight w Francis fascinating was that it brought Fury back down to earth ... the fat guy leaning all over him routine went no where against a much physically stronger opponent who could have thrown Fury all over the place but as a compete boxing novice intelligently chose to save his energy so did just enough to prohibit Fury from using his weight like he did against Wilder. Francis also displayed a very solid chin. While Fury is not a puncher like a Joshua or a Wilder he can obviously hit enough and landed a few times flush and Francis took them without blinking. He was no china chinned Gerry Cooney type folding in the big time but a very hard man and a super tough guy . Francis is also a real fighter, far faster than the infamous videos with terrific reflexes and monster power. Fury was not punching because he was gassed. He was not punching because he was getting hit as his puffed up eye, red and bruised face showed and was smart enough to say fu-k it and go the distance rather than risk trading with the dragon.

Right now none of this matters . I felt there fight was a draw, maybe 5-4-1 in rounds for Fury and evened by there knockdown but Francis won the night hands down. Again it does not matter. Fury can , if he decides to which is always a huge if, fight Usyk and it will be huge based on this dicey win and while I have for there past two years picked Usyk, Fury many use his smother routine to win as Usyk is also no longer a spring chicken but who knows? As far as Francis goes he is golden for a couple of fights if he does not jump too fast against a killer puncher at heavyweight .. it would be great to see him have a softer fight and then a big one but I doubt it as he is still a complete novice as a professional boxer and no one will risk the loss ... as the saying goes , Pete Rademacher lost his second fight too ..