Tyson Luke Fury vs. Francis Zavier Ngannou

Sugar who?

 

Difference with Jone's is tht Jones was well established as an ATG when he started showing his vulnerabilities. His style was, especially his defense, predicated on having great reflexes. Once the reflexes slowed, it was a wrap for him. But Roy's resume was much better than Fury's.

 

Mercer Kimbo

 

Ruin his legacy?
What legacy? he's fought no-one.
Compare his resume to a genuine ATG in Lewis and it like night and day, fury has done nothing, the only thing fighting on would do is remove the veil which he has covered over casual boxing fans eyes. He is a fraud

 

Nah.

He proved what coning in shape does vs the opposite.

 

He underrated Ngannou who has the same skills of Wilder and he didnt managed to outbox him with the jab like the great champions can do when are in front of a dangerous fighter. Total disaster. Usyk will give him the coup of the grace. To me it would be better if he retires before facing Usyk who in a way or in the other will get undisputed.

 

Only by total casuals and deranged UK nationalists.

Fury only has three title defenses and two quality names on his resume.

Calling him an ATG is laughable.

The guy hasn't fought anybody in this current crop of contenders and probably never will.

All of the stuff about him being GOAT is garbage that came out of his mouth and that people took at face value with no evidence.

What's really ridiculous are all the people who (rightly) criticized Wilder's competition for years, but then turned around acted like Fury comprehensively beating him was one of the greatest victories ever.

I'm glad that we can finally have frank conversations about Fury's legacy, but very sad that it took him embarrassing himself against an MMA fighter for it to happen.

 

He was thrown off by Ngannou's length and refusal to bite on any feints.

Also, his safety blanket of bullying his opponent in the clinch wasn't there because Ngannou is insanely strong and actually knows how to wrestle and punch from inside of the clinch.

...but we're supposed to believe that a guy who looked that lost the first time that he couldn't safely lean on an opponent to wear them out is one of the most skilled fighters of all time.

Glad the mass hysteria finally got broken.

 

Never seen a mass hysteria around Fury. Most of boxing fans knew he was already done with Wilder III. The bout with Ngannou has just confirmed that.

 

He proved how unprofessional and undisciplined he is as a fighter.

When he fought Klitschko, he was a slim 247 lbs. The fatty should be no more than 260 lbs if he was in shape. Before he started training, he was probably at around 325 lbs. He is one of the most undisciplined fighters in all of boxing, if not the most undisciplined and it shows.

And yes, his offense is overrated too. He is fairly basic in his arsenal. I saw an inconsistent jab, a slapping left hook, wild right hand and a wild uppercut. He doesn't have good fundamentals. Reminds me of Roy Jones, where once his speed and athleticism starts to decline, he can't put a consistent offense together.

Fury has gotten by on natural gifts and size. His fundamentals are lousy and he fights like a clumsy ogre.

 

No one but Brits and idiots would, no matter when he retired. He still has never fought anyone but old men and bums.

 

Ngannou couldn't be pushed around in the clinch because he's become a very competent wrestler in the past few years, and he's insanely strong.

Fury beat up Wilder in those last two fights by using his massive size advantage and Wilder's lack of an infighting game to push Wilder around and lean all over him to wear him out.

 

Guys like Marquez and Corrales

 

New member here tho lifelong boxing fan. Never miss a major heavyweight fight and yesterday was a shocker.

Not to take away from the tank-like Ngannou, but it raises questions of whether Fury was taking him lightly/ looking past him. And it became clear in the later rounds that Fury decided to use the jab and outpoint him, and not to take too many risks.

The ever-loquacious Eddie Hearn pronounced afterward that his guy AJ would put Ngannou away in 3.....

 

Fury's developed into a guy that uses his size to lean on, maul and clinch his opponents.

That was a good strategy against Wilder and other smaller fighters but it wasn't going to work against Francis N.

He is nolonger the guy who can stick and move for 12 rounds. That Fury was surprisingly agile for his size.

Watching Fury yesterday was like watching Ali in his later year. The agility, movement and quickness just weren't there.

How much of that was due to under training and how much due to general decline is unclear.

Does the guy have it in him at this point in his life to really dedicate himself to the sport?

The jury is out but I think not.