Tyson Luke Fury vs. Francis Zavier Ngannou

That's gone out the window in all likelihood.

 

The reason why they want a fight with Ngannou is that he is beatable, but he brings money because he has confidence because he thinks that after a good performance against Fury, he can beat anyone.

 

That 80% of Hws will be Ko'd.

 

All this because of one guy.

give me a break. hw boxing has been crap since 2006

 

Lol! Well if he takes too much time he’ll be going on 40 by the time a big fight is made.

It’s actually laughable how so many are talking about him like he has nothing but time on his side and will improve more and more from here. Lol Like he’s this young up and comer Not that all the other top guys are spring chickens… but at least the sport to them at this point is 2nd nature.

 

Guys like this were top 10 in the 70's:

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Randy_Neumann

No heavyweight in history has anything resembling Ngannou's collection of attributes, yet he was simultaneously easy to underestimate (17-3 MMA fighter, 21 months inactive, 0-0 as a boxer, outstruck by D. Lewis and Gane, gassed badly against Miocic 1, only one win past 10 minutes in 21 MMA/kickboxing fights) and there was no relevant film to study.

 

the only thing that changes is mma fans tune in until ngannou loses.

 

You've conceded that Hearn/AJ ducked light punching 236 lbs Wallin based on him looking good against Fury and schooling Breazeale, so why would they be confident in beating big punching 272 lbs Ngannou?

 

I'm with you. Not an exciting division regardless.

 

not much. he will have his rear end handed to him before long. then a descent to gate keeper status....if that.

 

I think he's gonna wait for a Tyson rematch and Fury will be busy with Usyk for a year. Anyone else in the top 25 is too big a risk.

 

What changes? the perception of Tyson Fury as a fighter.

 

Dont forget Texx Cobb was a kick boxer guy who made it to the top contender .
Plenty of cross over martial artist have cracked top ten boxing.
Ngannou would demolish most of the past hw with his size advantage. He only struggles in the 1990s and mid-late 70s when foreman ali and frazier reign supreme.
I think Lennox and Evander's era destroy him and bar him from top ten.
The Klitchko era, he makes it to top ten, he could beat a Sam peters and give wlad a similar fight. He would have beaten an aging Briggs.
And Francis could beat Valuev, or a David Haye who was smaller, all very close fights.

in mma his losses had to do with a lot factors.

Lewis and Ngannou have mirror boxing style, they both throw low volume and have a lot of power. the striking stats were so low, and both guys put on the most boring fight in mma history until Rose vs Esparza

Stipe gassed Francis with superior wrestling, pressed his weight on him and he laid on his back.

This is why i knew Francis would not gassed too badly against Fury, a large amount of his fatigue is grappling stamina, defending and holding Stipe on top of him.

 

"He only struggles in the 1990s and mid-late 70s when foreman ali and frazier reign supreme. I think Lennox and Evander's era destroy him and bar him from top ten."

Foreman was 6'3, 220 lbs with 6-7 years of boxing experience when he crushed Ali's conquerors Frazier and Norton. I don't think he'd have a chance against Ngannou, who has historically unique attributes and is vastly bigger + roided to the gills, with far more striking experience. Stylistically it looks terrible for Foreman because he depended on being bigger, more powerful and more durable. There was no one around to force him to develop a good backfoot game, if that was anthropometrically possible for him.

The likes of Lionel Butler and Alex Garcia weren't barred from the top 10 in the 90's, which was regarded as a weak era at the time.

We know that 24-5 crackhead McCall and 8 years boxing experience Rahman (both of whom lost to Klitschko era contenders/gatekeepers) did destroy Lewis so we don't have to speculate about that. Holyfield was a 6'1.5 former 190 pounder with mediocre power who lost to weak-chinned LHW southpaw Moorer and couldn't deal with Bowe.

 

All valid points, never thought about it that way.