FOTC FRAZIER VERSUS MAX SCHMELING OF THE FIRST LOUIS FIGHT

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Who wins

  1. Max

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  2. Joe

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  1. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I picked Frazier. One of the reasons why Louis lost to schmeling the first time was because he tried to box him and was telegraphing the dropping of his right hand every time he threw the jab. Frazier didn’t fight like this and wouldn’t. He would swarming all over schmeling bobbing and weaving and throw hooks to the head and body. I suspect this will end in similar fashion to Frazier’s first meeting with Quarry
     
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  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Frazier by mid fight ko.
    Max is fighting a guy top of his game, he'd get taken out eventually.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Max doesn't have a chance. Not a chance.
     
  5. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Frazier but Max would have his moments. Max was a pretty fair prize fighter.

    IMO people who hold up FOTC Frazier as being this all-time unstoppable monolith don't factor in that some of that stems from his animus against Ali. He wouldn't have that kind of mad on for Schmeling.
     
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  6. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier would be all wrong for Max, he simply couldn't discourage Joe and gets taken out. Probably viciously around the 7th or 8th round.
     
  7. Melankomas

    Melankomas Corbett beats your favourite fighter

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    Hard fight to call, imo depends on if Frazier could take Max’s right for all those rounds. I’m leaning towards yes
     
  8. mcvey

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    Louis did not drop his right hand,after throwing the jab he failed to return his left to the guard position,leaving him open for the right hand counter. Schmeling had spotted this watching film of Joe fighting.Jack Johnson had noticed it too, and predicted Max would ko Louis.
     
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  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Cool
     
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  10. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The very best of Frazier would destroy any version of Schmeling within 8rds at the most.
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Too much speed, activity, too much front foot dynamicism for Max to contend with. He didn't have the quicks, the feet, size or frankly power to deter Frazier. Ali didn't even have those that night and he was leagues ahead of Max in all departments (yes, even power). Max hit Louis squarely with a hundred right hands before he went down.
     
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  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    Louis was a certainly a more static target than the bobbing Frazier.I think Max would find it appreciably more difficult,landing his right hand on Fraziers head.
     
  13. Gui Dosnera

    Gui Dosnera Member Full Member

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    Max was a terrific fighter with great skills and an extraordinary will to win. A true Champion in the true sense of the word, and that goes for inside the ring and out of it. A Legend!
    That said, the "Smokin" Joe of that evening would smoke any fighter, anywhere. That Frazier was behond anyone else, a true phenomenon that would drop the Devil himself that evening.
     
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  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Frazier stops him in about six
     
  15. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, Frazier.

    But don't be surprised if Frazier has to (and would) gut through a few nasty-hard rights along the way.