What if Marvis Frazier continues on?

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    After he was annihilated by Mike Tyson, he had 2 more fights that he won. Let's say that Marvis Frazier continues, how would his career had possibly gone? Does he rebound from the Tyson loss and become a great name in the HW division?
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I don’t know if he becomes a “ great name “ in the heavyweight division as I believe his better days were behind him. And of course there would always be the issue of a shaky chin and the division was now starting to fill up with some very big hard hitting men. With selective match making he might have been able to put together a streak of wins against guys like Orlin Norris, Tyrell Biggs and the aging versions of Tubbs and Page. But I don’t think it would work out that way. His old man would have him in the ring with the biggest payday he could find. And low and behold it would end up being against someone who could kill him
     
  3. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    Not. He wouldn't be a big name in the HW category. But he could be a big name in the CW category. I don't know if he could make the weight. I also don't know what year (and I can't find the data) the CW limit was increased from 190lbs, to 200lbs.
    Please let one of the members tell me that information; thank you.
     
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  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No. Marvis had too many recurring injuries and by the late 80's didn't have any hunger left for the sport and was just going through the motions, which is why he retired when he did.

    Here is a piece talking about Marvis constantly being sidelined by injuries.

    Marvis Frazier, heavyweight contender and son of former champion Joe Frazier, ended 10 long months of silence an dumped the rumors of his retirement by knocking out David Starkey in the first round recently.

    Undefeated in 11 fights until last year's two-round meeting with champion Larry Holmes, Marvis has suffered a number of training injuries that have kept him out of the heavyweight picture until last month.

    After a pinched nerve in his neck required surgery that kept him out of action through all of 1982, and an Achilles tendon rupture took another six months of this year, Marvis plans to keep busy for another shot at Holmes. He has a bout set for Oct. 23 in Atlantic City and in November will battle top-ranked cruiser-weight Alfonzo Ratliff.

    "It (the last injury) gave me some time to sit back and think about what I should do," said the 24-year-old Marvis. And his decision is to stay on target.

    Noting that Holmes, 34, recently said he will delay retirement to pass Rocky Marciano's record of retiring undefeated (49-0), the young Frazier confided, "I hope, I wish, I pray that he does . . . and that I be the 49th."

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    Here is a piece with Marvis talking about his retirement and how is passion for the sport gradually died.

    He retired after beating Brown in Tucson in 1988 because, “Pop said when it starts feelin’ like a job, do something else. It started feeling like a job. And you got to know when to get out the game. It just didn’t feel like I was there. The spirit left me. I just wasn’t there anymore.

    And unlike so many others who have been where he has, Marvis never attempted a comeback and doesn’t wish he were young again and in the ring.

    No, I don’t miss it,” he said. “I believe I trained hard and sacrificed. I trained to become a champion and became an all-around champion in the amateurs. I didn’t become a champion in the pros because there were two guys who were better than me on those days. No, I don’t miss it.


    “I’m happy, I feel good. No problems with me.

    Today Marvis is engaged to be married to his second wife — his first died of cancer in 2001 — and has two daughters and three granddaughters. Profoundly religious, he spends most of his time preaching, and does occasional security work.


    “Life is too short to be unhappy,” he said. “You just got to keep living and loving people. God always has a plan for us and a purpose for us. I don’t think my purpose was to be the heavyweight champion of the world. My purpose is to spread the love of Christ and tell people how much God loves us all. Life is good.”

    Clearly, there are things more important than being a champion boxer.
    https://www.ringtv.com/123931-marvis-frazier-has-no-regrets/
     
  5. Vic The Gambler

    Vic The Gambler Active Member Full Member

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    Marvis was a good fighter but quite a bit below ATG status. The timing of his career meant that he was never going to be a HW champion as one of his two conquerors Mike Tyson had the belts locked up tight in the 1980s…and with Holyfield taking the baton (after an extremely short stay in Buster’s big hands) Marvis would have stood no chance in the early 90s of being a champ then either. But he could very well have been a challenger, albeit a losing challenger.

    He definitely could have been a belt holder if he was at his best a bit later in the 1990s though. After all If it was good enough for Michael Bentt and Herbie Hide surely it was good enough for Marvis.
     
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  6. bboyrei

    bboyrei Member Full Member

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    The main reason he wanted to be a fighter was to bring the championship back to the Fraziers, it just wasn't the right timing as he did end up beating guys who ended up getting a belt later on. However Frazier's daughter Jackie did bring that dream back to life.
     
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  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    No way. Tyson finished him.
     
  8. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He got out with his wits and brain intact. That's to his credit. That might not have been the case if he kept at it.
     
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  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    He probably ko the great Lennox Lewis
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Lol Good one !!!
     
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  11. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He wanted a rematch with Holmes? Yeah, the first bout went so well..
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    That's why it's a rematch. Louis was KO'd by Schmeling and look how he did in the rematch. Patterson was bounced up and down like a basketball by Johansson and in the rematch, he rendered the Swede unconscious.
     
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