IF Tyson Fury retired tomorrow...

he would have ducked most of them so it’s not worth talking about it. Holmes def beats Fury.

 

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But it's Holmes 2 years into retirement sitting on his arse coming back to fight not Holmes at his peak......

 

From the guy who said "Povetkin shouldn't get any more credit for beating Whyte at 40, it's easy with modern sports science" but also "Wlad was 39 when Fury beat him and on a par with the Holyfield who got schooled by Byrd, loads of guys would have beaten him and Fury's performance was boring."

"There's not much to work with"

Omitting the Lewis and prior heavies who you will obviously favour, how many heavyweights have better records than Fury in the last 20 years/two eras?

The only arguable case is Wlad and that's a purely quantitative argument.

 

"By your logic it should have ended with Marciano. At what point and why/how did the lineage start again?"
Dude it's imaginary, it doesn't exist.

You yourself just pointed out the biggest flaw in the logic, it would of ended with Marciano 70 years ago..., if it ever existed.

Why you wasting my time with imaginary stuff?

 

"it would of ended with Marciano 70 years ago..., if it ever existed."

New lineages can be formed.

"Why you wasting my time with imaginary stuff?"

Because you clearly take it seriously.

Not listing Foreman's 7 successful title defences?

 

"New lineages can be formed."
Ofcourse it can, anything is possible in fantasy land.

"Because you clearly take it seriously."
Clearly don't since i'm obviously taking the p*ss out of you.

"Not listing Foreman's 7 successful title defences?["
Why would I do that?, he only had 5 successful title defences

 

You originally said seven, now you've backtracked and edited it down to five after being called out, which he doesn't have either.

Boring.

 

Joshua arguably has a better resume than Fury if we're being brutally honest. He has 3 losses, but at least he fought more ranked boxers with more depth in his record.

Usyk also has a case for a better record, especially if we include his cruiserweight career. He could be rated higher historically.

The best thing Fury can do if he's mad people have him top 20 is beat Usyk and then a few other decent fighters such as Joshua, Zheng, etc and call it a day. But if he retires right now, and we're including every HW who ever lived, top 20 is very generous. He did not fulfill his potential in the slightest so that's a compliment.

 

I edited because I made a typo.

"Boring" lol says the guy who lives in imaginary world where Seferi and Pianeta fights where title fights lmao.

You know what isn't imaginary? Tyson getting floored and embarrassed by a 0-0-0 37 yr old guy with 2 bad knees

 

Hence i consider Mike an ATG....cos nobody achieved what he did when aged 18-21.....tell me what Fury has achieved over his WHOLE career that we can talk about 30 years from now

 

He won't

 

Ahead of Wilder for sure.
Other then that I’d have to see what he looks like against other competition.

 

I'd let you .

 

"Joshua arguably has a better resume than Fury. He has 3 losses, but at least he fought more ranked boxers with more depth in his record."

Chisora is in the GOAT conversation by this logic.

How heavily we choose to weight losses matters a lot in this regard. The more losses (and big wins: Fury's the only fighter in history to beat two reigning 10+ consecutive defence champions) matter, the higher Fury will be ranked. Variety of styles and body types is also important to consider, as is frequency of being the underdog (Fury has four times: the most of any top heavyweight since Holyfield and he signed to fight clear favourite Haye who pulled out a week prior to the scheduled fight).

Whyte is probably the 3rd best win on Joshua's record (beat Parker, who beat Ruiz and gave Joshua a better fight than Parker or Ruiz 2) but he couldn't lay a glove on Fury.

Joshua's best win by far is dethroned 41 Wlad in London in a life and death war.

Fury's is either champ 39 P4P No.6 Wlad in Germany in a fight where Fury barely got hit, or Wilder x2/x3 in America, who was one of the top three along with Fury and Joshua from 2017-2021, hasn't lost to an Andy Ruiz type and is favoured to beat Joshua.

Fury ended the 34-0, 11.5 year Klitschko era by dethroning a top 3 longest reigning HW of all time.

Wilder is the most significant American heavyweight since a pre-Byrd Holyfield.

"But if he retires right now"

We don't know what Fury's opponents will go on to do. For instance, Wallin beat former unified titlist and top 4 cruiser of Usyk's era Gassiev weeks ago. Say Wilder or Ngannou KO's Joshua or whoever. Fury's record gets a boost without him doing anything.