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I still can't get over the Loma Haney robbery and I never will

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lufcrazy said: ↑

Don't get me wrong, I rewatched it today and scored it for Loma.

But you said anyone scoring the 8th for Haney is doing so out of pure bias. I think it's also a close round tbh mate.

I'm only 100% convicted of my scoring of 11 and 12 tbh.

Watching it again today though, Loma was a lot better than I remembered at the time. Not as in scoring, as in he doesn't look old and finished.

I reckon if he fought Davis next he still has enough to school him.
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Yeah Haney would love that if Loma did fight Tank & beat him too Haney doesn't relish Tank either

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yep, robbed.

Is it true that Haney lost to a Mexican early in his career and the Haney camp paid him off to erase the W?

In any case, Loma won for sure.

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C.J. said: ↑

Yeah Haney would love that if Loma did fight Tank & beat him too Haney doesn't relish Tank either
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I can't stand the way Tank thinks he's the a side against opposition with far superior resumes than his own.

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NoChin said: ↑

yep, robbed.

Is it true that Haney lost to a Mexican early in his career and the Haney camp paid him off to erase the W?

In any case, Loma won for sure.
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Quite probably did boxing is crooked as a corkscrew today its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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lufcrazy said: ↑

I can't stand the way Tank thinks he's the a side against opposition with far superior resumes than his own.
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guys like him , Floyd, Canelo etc really do believe the hype they preach about themselves but still carefully select their opponents & demand they agree to let them have all the advantages legal & illegal too lol

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ellerbe said: ↑

Me: Let me pick on the low hanging fruit and challenge 2 idiots (CJ and midcuck) to find 7 indisputable rounds for Loma.

CST: Ok, hold my beer.

Damnit CST let me spread my anti Loma agenda in peace.. nah all jokes aside, Loma should have won. But I’m not still crying about it, just like @MidniteProwler isn’t still crying about Ngannou getting robbed. That was a bigger embarrassment to the sport.
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The irony of you saying someone else is crying lol. This thread is about Loma Haney fight. Got nothing to do with Fury Ngannou. BTW way I agree that Fury Ngannou was an embarrassment but there is already enough talk and threads about it shorty.

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Round 1 Lomachenko 10-9

Pretty clear Loma round, almost everything Haney threw he fell short with, nothing connected clean, including his jabs. Lomachenko however, while he landed nothing truly demonstrative, the jabs and combinations that he got off with, landed clean enough for him to take the round.

Round 2 Lomachenko 10-9

Again, much of what Haney is throwing, he's falling short with, the vast majority of the body shots, aside from two of them, Loma bounced just out of range for, while almost all of the left hooks, jas and rights were either caught on the forearm, blocked or parried by Loma. Whereas Loma's handful of hard clean lefts to the head and jab landed clean.

Round 3 Lomachenko 10-9

Very clear Loma round, he applied relentless pressure throughout, always just out of range for the sweeping hooks to the body that Haney missed with constantly, Haney again landing very few jabs or rights clean, most blocked and parried. Lomachenko landed several body shots far cleaner, and his straight hard lefts up top easily won him the round.

Round 4 Haney 10-9, close

Far closer than people seem to realize, while Haney edged it with body shots and jabs, more clean got through than in any other round, Loma was right with him almost every step of the way, evading most of what Haney was throwing and Loma managed to land a very heavy power jab, a few lefts and a few counters up top, when Haney got over aggressive. Still, much of what Haney is attempting to land, simply isn't finding its mark.

Round 5 Lomachenko 10-9, close

Haney starts the round off pretty well, landing a hook upstairs and a few body shots. Still Loma doing an effective job negating much of what is coming his way, a lot more grappling and holding from Haney. Then Loma comes roaring back, nailing him with several power jabs and combinations up top, as well as sneaky combos to the body. Neither man landed much clean in the last minute.

Round 6 Haney 10-9, close

3 effective body shots early from Haney, Loma fires back with a heavy straight left up top, they tie up, Haney attempts to land a few more to the body, Loma too evasive, Loma lands a series of compact one twos up the middle, prompting Haney again to hold, then attempts a few rabbit punches while it hold. Two good jabs from Haney, Loma then flies his head with a vicious left, followed by a combo. Haney with a few more jabs, then a few missed shots from both. Very close round.

Round 7 Lomachenko 10-9

Pretty clear Loma round, with almost everything Haney threw either being blocked, a rabbit punch, to the shoulders or to the back. Aside from a counter hook up top, from Haney, it was all Loma. Who landed the far heavier blows, with sharp one twos to the head of Haney and a few very hard eye catching straight lefts. Haney gets a few body shots in late.

Round 8 Lomachenko 10-9

Neither man all that effective in the 8th, both negated the others work pretty consistently, Haney landed a handful of body shots, but most of them fell short, whereas Loma's handful of head shots, one a nasty power jab, were the far more eye catching. Also Loma's jabs and counter right hooks found their mark far more than Haney's. But overall, the first half was clear for Loma, second half, near even. Therefore Loma round.

Round 9 Lomachenko 10-9

Another largely ineffective round for Haney, a few weak glancing body shots got through, Loma, while low output, still managed to land the cleaner shots to the head, a few hard jabs, counter hooks early, with a few lefts, a flurry and one twos later. Haney's shots are mostly bouncing off of shoulders or being blocked.

Round 10 Lomachenko 10-9

All things considered, a fairly quiet round, with neither man doing a hell of a lot throughout the vast majority of it, but Loma managed to stun him with a nasty one two, and then teed off for a spell, then darting in with quick straight lefts, which was more than enough to win him the round.

Round 11 Lomachenko 10-9

Dominant 11th, Haney barely landed a thing, Loma had him hurt adn on jelly legs after he landed some savage lunging right hooks and several combinations, most one sided round of the fight.

Round 12 Haney 10-9, close

All in all, a fairly close round, while Loma didn't press enough early, when he did, he managed to land several sneaky lefts up top, firing back a shot every time Haney landed to the body, but Haney was just a little bit more active, and accurate, so that edged the round in his direction, but only barely.

117-111 Lomachenko

116-112, 115-113 are fine as well.

1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 10, 11 were all pretty easy to score rounds, and Loma won them all fairly handily. The rest are close and could go either way.

So while I consider 6 rounds very generous, in no possible way can you find more than 6 rounds to give to Haney, it's simply unfeasible. So if you did, you're disgustingly biased and unreasonable. That also means that anything wider than 6 rounds is a robbery. Of course people can argue, but it's close, it could go either way, therefore... not a robbery. But when finding 7 rounds to give to the fighter who won, is an impossibility, it doesn't matter how close it is. That still very much qualifies as a gift decision and an indication of corruption. Just because a match is close, that doesn't immediately invalidate talk of a robbery. The term, close but clear exists for a reason. So if 6 rounds are clearly won by one fighter, while 5 of the other 6 are razor close, for someone to find not only 7, but 8 to give to the guy who did not win 6, that qualifies as a blatant and egregious robbery.
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Yeah agree with this especially the part about close but clear. I had Floyd beating Maidana 7-5 in the first fight but if Maidana got the decision I wonder if Mayweather’s fan base would say “oh well it was close not a robbery”

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lufcrazy said: ↑

Don't get me wrong, I rewatched it today and scored it for Loma.

But you said anyone scoring the 8th for Haney is doing so out of pure bias. I think it's also a close round tbh mate.

I'm only 100% convicted of my scoring of 11 and 12 tbh.

Watching it again today though, Loma was a lot better than I remembered at the time. Not as in scoring, as in he doesn't look old and finished.

I reckon if he fought Davis next he still has enough to school him.
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Quite frankly, I hesitated in giving it to Haney the first time. I kind of gifted it to him, as a mercy round, to keep the Haney fanatics off my ass on the RBR.

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C.J. said: ↑

Haney was a nobody back then of course he fought Lopez instead .Haney is stepping up because he knows in his heart he really didn't win that fight at all & he doesn't think he will get the decision if he did. He real;ly does owe him a rematch if only to prove to the majority who thought Loma really beat him & prove he's a real champion
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Nope. His stepping up as his already beat Loma and a rematch does nothing for him.

The boxing world isn't asking for Haney v Loma 2. The only people calling for it are Loma fans who get far too emotional over a close fight not going Loma's way.

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Some robberies stick with you .... The Golovkin and canelo fights bug me ...but still years later Pacquiao vs Marquez 3 boils my ****..I didn't watch boxing for months after that ...luckily Marquez knocked his arse out in the 4th fight to soften the blow.

I'm sure there's worse robberies in boxing history..what was name of that poor **** who put a clinic on Brandon Rios and lost?

Edit - Richard Abril? That kinda rings a bell

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Holyfield vs Lewis 1. Draw? Nah. In truth I'd have to watch it again. Quite a few agree tho that LL was robbed.

Right in front of me. Right in front of me!!!!!!!!

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The robbery of GGG vs Canelo broke GGGs heart and love for boxing. Also Ward vs Kovalev was mad.

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Dannymita said: ↑

Some robberies stick with you .... The Golovkin and canelo fights bug me ...but still years later Pacquiao vs Marquez 3 boils my ****..I didn't watch boxing for months after that ...luckily Marquez knocked his arse out in the 4th fight to soften the blow.

I'm sure there's worse robberies in boxing history..what was name of that poor **** who put a clinic on Brandon Rios and lost?

Edit - Richard Abril? That kinda rings a bell
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Pac vs Horn still bugs me

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Haney won Hands down. Get over it.

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rodney said: ↑

Haney won Hands down. Get over it.
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What's your scorecard? Which rounds did you give Haney?

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