Luis ''King Kong'' Ortiz résumé

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Do you consider Luis Ortiz had successful career?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    56.0%
  1. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Hed give fury enough to think about
     
  2. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When he sparked Sam Langford in a 40 round war that was his best win
     
  3. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was a little past his best though during that time period.
     
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  4. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict

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    The Ustinov fight was where things turned for him IMO. I followed him for quite a while beforehand but the pass on that fight just seemed like a big wasted opportunity. At one stage he was being looked at for Wlad after Fury, but that obviously didn't turn out.

    I also got a bit suspect after seeing the ringside exchange he had with Wilder after Ortiz/Martz fight. It looked kind of professional wrestling-ish ... and I'm not 100% convinced Ortiz never purposefully left himself open against Wilder.

    Wilder also kind of wasted his opportunities ... but he do ok late, only due to Saudi money. Ortiz maybe would be best to present himself as a name opponent on one of these middle east cards for an up-comer ... Makhmudov perhaps.

    Personally, at this stage, it would be good to see both Ortiz and Wilder knocked out of the HW equation.
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He can comfortably support his family, doesn't have CTE, and will go down as one of the more dangerous heavyweight contenders of all time. That's a success story, even if he won't ever be heavyweight champion.
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Of course he had a successful career.

    The fact that more than half the people voting think otherwise is more than a bit baffling.
     
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  7. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a mixed bag in fairness considering his purported championship potential. Ortiz probably shouldn't have been pegged with such a lofty expectation but he frankly had the skills and experience to convince most fans and experts of such. Is it merely hype losing a grip of itself or a fighter falling short of his potential? Considering his age, I'd err towards him being too old to fulfil his true potential in the pros.
     
  8. skandinavija

    skandinavija New Member Full Member

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    Nice point! I have similar opinion
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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  10. uppakut

    uppakut Active Member Full Member

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    Very good amateur career but lack lackluster pro career. Wilder fans and fury fans by default will disagree though for obvious reasons
     
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  11. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'd have to disagree. He didn't have a very distinguished amateur career for a Cuban. Certainly not as much as Solis who defeated him 4x, and Ortiz was a better pro than him.
     
  12. uppakut

    uppakut Active Member Full Member

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    You are correct, I was basing my opinion on his age and the medals he won but on closer inspection 23 wins from 39 fights is pretty average and as you said Solis had his number and wasn't exactly a world beater in the professional ranks himself
     
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  13. The Professor

    The Professor Socialist Ring Leader Staff Member

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    Depends on the standard you are using. In the sense of making some decent money and getting ranked, becoming well known, etc. - if course he had a successful career.

    In the sense of fulfilling the potential in the pro game he showed in the amateurs, it's much more debatable. Or in living up the hype.

    Ortiz's career suffered both from starting late - and let's be honest, everybody knows he's older than advertised - and from being grossly overhyped.

    He was a decent, but relatively unaccomplished, contender. I'd put him in the Corrie Sanders tier.
     
  14. Sks476

    Sks476 Active Member Full Member

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    He's done well out of boxing, he had 2 title shots at Wilder so can't really complain with how things turned out for him.
     
  15. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Has to be given credit....43 and still in most peoples Top 10 very competitive in a poor over rated era I think.!!!