John Conteh vs Carl Froch

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  1. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    These losses you talking about are not embarassing, they were normal losses that most would have if they took those fights.

    Would Arthur Abraham beat:

    Bob Foster?
    Ron Lyle ?
    Ernie Shavers ?
    Jose Urtain ?
    Len Hutchins ?
    Tom Bogs ?
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Those losses took place prior to his fight with Conteh, I'm referring to the streak that included Rodney Bobick and 3-4 Bobby Lloyd.

    Just to be clear, I don't know very much about these guys. I can only rely on their respective records to make a determination on how valuable their scalps are. As things stand, I'm struggling to understand why we should put equal or greater value in beating Rondon as we would beating someone as accomplished as Abraham.
     
  3. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know, probably needed a buck. As you know it's not uncommon for a guy to get knocked out and then he just says **** it and his career goes downhill quickly after that.

    I definitely don't rate Abraham too high. Great puncher but one of the most unskilled of his era...
     
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  4. Addie

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    But outside of losing to Heavyweights, what impressed you about Rondon prior to him falling off a cliff?
     
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    I'm putting the cash on JC.
     
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  6. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    I did not say I was impressed by Rondon !
    Rondon was a top rated contender in those days, and became champion, like it or not, that is a fact. Conteh beat him and I listed as a good win because it is ....

    Oh it was when he was done ? Okay. Fine. Does that make Arthur Abraham better than him ? No, not to me, and that is mostly because I never rated Abraham. To me, he was a bad fighter. He is one of those that made his career defending his belt against those typical european opponents.... his Edison Miranda fights were cool though.

    If you rank Abraham higher than Rondon that is fine, but you gotta admit that there is not much between them one way or another.
     
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  7. Addie

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    I'm not trying to be combative mate. I personally know nothing about Rondon, so I was just curious as to why you felt so strongly about it being better than Froch's win over Abraham when a cursory glance over his boxrec doesn't reveal anything particularly impressive. There's a bit of footage of him available on YT. I'll try to find time to watch some of it in the coming days.

    As for Froch, I think his win column is seriously impressive, especially by contemporary standards. We spend so much time waxing lyrical about guys who never fulfilled their potential through lack of discipline etc. and here is a guy that absolutely maximised his ability. He may have even overachieved given his obvious limitations in certain areas. This is to be celebrated and admired in my estimation.
     
  8. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    I can't tell you I watched a lot of footage of the guy. But listen Rondón beat Luis Rodriguez in Puerto Rico, and Bennie Briscoe, he was much bigger than them, but still.. and he beat Pedro Miranda who was a good fighter back then. Jimmy Dupree seemed like a good fighter and Rondon beat him to gain the belt.
    Rondon had weight issues, he was tall but he wasn't a heavyweight, he grew up super poor and he didn't go easy on the food and beverages once he had some cash.
    He died as a miserably poor man though.

    edit - Luis Rodriguez is cuban, so make no difference the fight being in Puerto Rico (I confused becasue of the similar flags).
     
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  9. Clinton

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    One is a middleweight and the other a 175 pounder.
     
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  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I am aware of this, Clinton.

    What are you driving at?
     
  11. Clinton

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    I am driving at you asked why we should pay more heed to a victory over Rondon rather a victory over Abraham. And I wrote that one was a middleweight and one was a light heavy. I am not trying to take the ****, but Rondon was a naturally bigger fellow.
     
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  12. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I'm terribly confused, Clinton.

    Why is this of any consequence?
     
  13. Clinton

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    Because in boxing size usually matters. The question here is who wins between Conteh and Froch. You questioned why a victory over Rondon should be more regarded over a victory over Abraham. So I answered.
     
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  14. Addie

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    I asked why Conteh beating Rondon should be considered a more impressive victory than Carl Froch beating Arthur Abraham.

    I'm confused how weight plays any factor here??
     
  15. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    It is usually more difficult to beat heavier guys.
     
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