John Conteh vs Carl Froch

I'm quickly finding out that great emphasis is placed on weight in discussions on the classic forum.

Not that this isn't often appropriate, but I would suggest there are more salient questions to be asking here, like what were their respective victories and achievements throughout the courses of their careers. In other words, who was the greater, more accomplished fighter.

Surely that's the question here, not who was bigger.

 

I think I made myself clear but refer to Vic.

 

That is part of it of course. But neither Abraham nor Rondon were great fighters. Besides those aren't the deciding factors in Conteh v Froch. Froch was dropped by Taylor, who was a natural middleweight, and was beaten by Andre Ward and Kessler. I personally would bet the house the Conteh handles all those 3.

 

You claim that Rondon was harder to beat and yet he was beaten so frequently, and quite lot around the time he fought John Conteh.

He was beaten by 5'9 Tom Bogs, for example. He also lost to 3-4-2 Bobby Lloyd a mere 3 months after having lost to Conteh.

Claims that Rondon was harder to beat than Abraham simply by virtue of his size is sounding spurious at best, Vic.

Abraham may not have been a great fighter, but he was infinitely more accomplished than Rondon and enjoyed much more success at world championship level. These are details we typically consider when trying to determine the overall value of a victory on a fighter's resume.

Also, Vic and I were having a discussion that was independent to the thread's central question. I haven't made any judgement on how Conteh vs Froch would go because, quite frankly, I haven't seen enough of Conteh to make a determination. But my questions here are totally independent to that. I just wanted to try to understand why Vic rated the Rondon win high enough to mention. I'm still trying to understand.

 

I would think that Vic mentioned that win because Rondon was a fine lightheavy that won a strap there. I think I will start a thread to see who people would take in a Rondon Abraham match which would likely take place at 175. I personally dont think Abraham's resume was any great shakes either.

 

Who people think would win in a hypothetical match up at 175lbs is irrelevant to the question of which win should carry more prestige and value, but I wish you luck with the thread mate.

 

Conteh was the better boxer,and the better puncher,he beats Froch.

 

Yeah... I think you guys have just sort of a semantic difference here. We're talking about Abrahamyan or Rondón being better wins? Well, that can be interpreted differently depending on what you mean exactly. Better h2h version of a fighter or better "name" based on recent accomplishments and public perception at the time? Those aren't always the same thing. Think you can argue it either way: that a stoppage over Rondón in '73 was a tougher out and more creditable result, or that shutting out Abrahamyan in 2010 was a "bigger" and more important win.

I'd agree with both statements.

And hate seeing buddies bicker.

 

Nice measured post mate.

I have a lot of time for @Vic-JofreBRASIL too. Nothing more than respectful disagreement.

 

Conteh by wide points decision