Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk Official Press Conference 16/11/23

No, spravedlivylev. Let them dream. It's all they'll have by February 18th

Jokes aside, once upon a time I viewed this as a close fight, but I'm kinda doubting that now though. The Ngannou fight put a big dent in those hopes, and yeah I know Usyk and Ngannou could not be more night and day in their styles, but the thing is, I'm skeptical the styles thing is the only reason why Fury looked bad. It certainly was a factor, I'm not trying to take away from Ngannou there, cause I'm looking forward to where he goes after that too. But I've thought for awhile now that Fury's footwork hasn't been looking as good as it did once upon a time, something that was easily overlooked due to the heavy plodders he's been fighting. So his performance could have been just due to poor preparation, but to me it almost looked more like all those years of drinking and drugging and ballooning up and down have finally caught up to him. Good footwork would be essential for him to have any hope of beating Usyk too. The style he's adopted in recent years has worked wonders against the guys he's fought, but it ain't gonna be as successful against a guy like Usyk, someone who is fast, has great movement, a lot in the tank and won't just stand in front of him.

I'd love for it to have just been from poor preparation though. I back Usyk to win completely, and he is by far my preferred winner, but I want this to be a good fight too. Something that feels like it was worth the wait for the folks who have been waiting on a new undisputed champion for nearly a quarter of a century, y'know?

That said... one sided domination by a man coming up in weight over a guy who is one of the top heavyweights of the generation, that's a another way for a fight to be good. I haven't waited as long as lot of you guys, but I'd take that. Doesn't hurt that said guy coming up in weight is my favorite fighter

 

Who honestly cares? Any credibility the heavyweight division had as well as Fury is tarnished because he got put on his ass and arguably lost to a guy in his first pro boxing fight. A guy who was being laughed at by many boxing experts and ex fighters with his bag and pad work.

This fight means jack ****. I couldn't care less.

Featherweights, welters to middle weight is where it's at and has been for the best part of the last 3 decades. The heavyweight division has never been the same since the loss of Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield etc.

 

Yes, Fury has been abusing his body for the most part of his adult life. The likes of miniq will always try to portray it how Fury is best at around 270-280 lbs and how he is this perfect fighting machine the way he is because he would be drained otherwise, but that's nonsense of course. Fury should never have been more than 250 lbs. He is not a big framed guy, he doesn't have a broad chest and shoulders like Joyce. He is not this "rugby player" type of guy. If you look at the size of his ankles or wrists, he is a rather small boned guy to his height. 245-250 lbs is the most he should have weight in all through his career and all those extra pounds and boozing and binge eating and snorting the gak broke his body down massively. It's just that as you rightfully point it out, carefully cherry picked has-beens and zero technique plodders couldn't expose him for the declined, shot fighter he is. There's a reason Fury has been even more selective and inactive the past few years than before. Fury's knees are obviously shot (even Andy Lee mentioned this), and that's a direct result of the Morecambe Duck not living the proper life of a professional athlete.

My only gripe is that I wanted Usyk to expose him for the fraud and weak champion that he is. Now Ngannou has done that before Usyk was given the chance. And while most will put it don to Fury underestimating Ngannou and no doubt Fury will prepare better for Usyk (or at least he will try to, but don't expect him to show up in decent shape fit for an athlete though), when Usyk will dominate and beat him (because he will), it won't have the same impact. I already see how those who talk about ow that Fury's weight is perfect for him and how his Kronk style lines up with his strengths and height and whatever will claim that only the years of being overweight and the 'mental problems' and the whatnot allowed Usyk to beat him

 

I think a lot of folks are thinking that the guy who fought Klitschko will show up, and that guy would certainly have a good chance of giving Usyk a good run, but that just doesn't seem at all likely to me. Folks dismiss the Cunningham fight as being a long time ago, and yeah, it was, but so is Klitschko at this point. The last time we saw Fury fighting even remotely like the Klitschko fight was against Wallin, and look how that went. Sure, Fury won it clean, but the fight was competitive for the first half before Wallin gassed, and even running on fumes he was able to buzz Fury really badly in round 12. That fight wasn't a long time ago either, and no disrespect intended here, but Usyk is levels above Wallin.

The Ngannou fight was a double edged sword for me. On one hand I was glad it turned out to be a real fight and not just a waste of everybody's time. On the other, an Usyk victory over Fury's gonna be dismissed by a lot more people now. It would've even before, something like "Fury's best two wins were against an old guy and a one dimensional one trick pony," but now it'll be "So what, Ngannou already beat him." I mean, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day because it's a good win regardless, but at least the first would've been referring to clear wins

 

To be fair Usyk has been shown to be weak(er) to the body (relative to the rest of him). The only time anyone's really hurt or flustered him it was from a good body shot, and while I don't believe the Dubois shot was legit, there are potential concerns for me there. I don't know if Fury is going to be able to capitalise but it's a possible avenue of success for him if he can pin Usyk against the ropes and go captain caveman on his abs. But I don't suspect it'll be enough to swing the balance for all the times Usyk is piecing him up in centre ring.

 

He's one hundred percent wrecked his body with his undisciplined lifestyle. His legs are heavy now, and even his handspeed has diminished. His herky jerky style is still present but it's a lot more predictable and fighters don't bite on his feints as much. His only style against Usyk realistically is to try to plow forward and pin him against the ropes then try to do as much damage as possible. I don't see that working well as Usyk is going to be turning him constantly and leaving him exposed and heavy on the front foot.

 

Fury's best weight was when he was in the 240s against Wlad and looked light and sharp. Obviously as a fighter ages they get heavier, but Fury should never have gone above the 250s. He's like a Kelly Pavlik type of guy crossed with Chris Arreola. Sort of skinny fat. 260s and above only works for him if he's heavily juiced, and even if he got hard on the gear again I'm not sure his body would respond in the same way.

 

You constantly hear Fury fans and casuals talking about the Wlad fight as if that was Fury's current form and not eight years ago. Like he'll just be able to rock up and dance rings round Usyk and completely befuddle him if he so chose. That hasn't been Fury since probably his comeback. Not even Fury's schooling at the hands of Ngannou seems to have changed their minds. It's like some weird gypsy glamour has been thrown over them.

 

Here where the big difference comes. AJ and Dubois are arguably the absolutely best and HW punchers in the division. Fury is neither of that. Even if we suggest Usyk is vulnerable to body shots, which in reality is more like illegal body shots, as he goes down to AJ when he hit him on the same spot as Dubois, which was 100% low, Fury doesn't have the power, neither the combination to go there.

AJ in the second fight was throwing multiple body punch combos and Usyk didn't go down.
If anyone was using his brain and not being bias, and actually know a thing about fighting and getting hit, and yeah i have, as i have Brown Belt in Shotokan Karate, also trained Kyokushin Karate(and Kudo now), have multiple years of Kickboxing/Muay Thai Training, and more importantly i have been eaten tons of body shots, especially in Kyokushin, they would have known that the body punch KD usually, aka 99,99% have a bit of delayed reaction when you go down. And you don't need 3+ minutes after that to get your "wind" back. But you do need quite some time, when you have been hit low, bladder, balls, etc.
On top of that, you may get up an recover faster if you have been hurt to the body, but that area going to be vulnerable and weak after that for a very long time. Like hour or so. So if that was a body shot and Usyk was that hurt from it. The next body shot that Dubois landed would have send Usyk down again. And Dubois landed plenty of body punches after that, and plenty of them was illegal as well, but Usyk didn't even flinch.
Just based on pure facts that wasn't body shot at all. Not to mention 99,99% of Dubois "body" shots were all on the Usyk beltline and below that. There was literally no contact with Usyk skin. Which just tells you what Dubois tactics was.

But even if Usyk is super weak to the body, Fury just doesn't have that power, not even close to that level, so he won't do any, and i mean any damage to Usyk, unless his body shots are clearly illegal.
Also midsection is actually one of the easiest/fastest area you can improve in terms of resistance. Shins for example take years of hard pain to be conditioned properly to not break your leg or so.

And people saying Fury won't be in Ngannou shape are funny, do they think that Usyk will be in Dubois shape ? He will prepare 10x time harder for the history of becoming Undisputed.
They also forget he was already in a camp for Fury, waiting for him for the April fight, and that messed Usyk camp a bit, when Fury ducked the fight. He was also prepared for the December fight.
If Usyk shows in the similar or better to AJ 1 fight shape, Fury is set and done inside 10 rounds.

Fury energy was gone against static and barely throwing Ngannou by the round 8. Zero chance to improve your cardio that much in 2-3 months time. Absolutely zero chance. Fury is going to receive a huge beatdown.

 

And they also forget that Klitschko was 39,7 years old and looked like **** against **** Bryan Jennings. Klitschko didn't show for that match. To be fair even Fury from that fight ain't that impressive to me, and Usyk would smash version with ease too.

 

I love how Cunningham knocked down Fury. Usyk will study that scene thoroughly and revive a much better version of it. This time Fury won't stand up.

I will enjoy watching Fury falling down like a oak log.

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Nothing less than a conclusive victory for Usyk can save boxing.

However, it's very likely that he quits like a rat due to bodyshots - above, on, or below the belt. If so, RIP boxing.

 

For me the fight has lost alot of hype.....

Usyk put down by a "borderline shot" that I question he could've got up by in 10 seconds from a fighter that's not a top 10 Heavyweight.

And Fury dropped and out fought by an MMA fighter making his pro boxing debut.....

And this is supposed to be the must have Heavyweight fight of this era......

Yeah sorry I'm not quite feeling it anymore fellas.

 

“I’m not a Fury fan. I just hug his nuts all the time while keep trying to put Usyk down and I happen to always agree with rabid Fury fans who in turn keep agreeing with me. But no, I’m not a Fury fan, why would I lie about this?”