I still can't get over the Loma Haney robbery and I never will

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loma has never had a rematch, tf you talking about lmao.
     
  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It's not like it's uncommon for commentators and fans to gush over American 'slicksters' for their amazing defence when in reality they're stinking out the joint. Loma making Teofimo miss so much during his tentative showing in the first half of the fight is deemed genius when those fighters do it even though defensively he's actually far better than them. That's my point :lol:

    Could be. To be fair, many do suspect JMM of juicing too
     
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  3. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And Stevenson fans were criticizing Loma's punch output against Haney, a fight in which the Ukrainian threw more than twice as many punches as the pride of Newark. Lol
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be fair though Lomachenko has always been hyped and praised by commentators so has Usyk.

    I understand what you're saying about American fighters regarding commentators gushing over their "slickness".

    But I think Lomachenko has always been hyped up plenty by the media and fans.

    It's just his performance vs Lopez for the first 6 rounds was hard to get excited about. I can't remember last time an apparent top P4P fighter had such a pitiful workrate for such a long period in a big fight.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: Yes. The first half of the Teofimo fight aside, Loma is one of the most aggressive and busy fighters in the game whilst simultaneously being one of the best defensively and this is despite him routinely giving away huge physical advantages that not only none of them are doing, quite the opposite with some of them, but that no one else in the P4P top 10 is other than Usyk and even then he's only had five fights at HW

    And in addition to that and him fighting a whole bunch of athletically gifted and/or super fast opponents, he's also fought a lot of punchers, most bigger or much bigger than him, and he's thrown a lot of punches and took the fight to every single one of them sans the first six rounds against Teofimo. Shakur spent the entire 12 round duration of the fight in mortal fear of getting clipped by the wind of a punch against a puncher his own size who possesses a bit of speed and athleticism.

    If he's doing that against Dos Santos what would he do against a way bigger and heavier hardest puncher in the division KO artist Teofimo who is super athletic, explosive, fast and powerful in a division he doesn't belong it? :facepalm:
     
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  6. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with that.
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I agree but not for doing nothing he hasn't. He's been hyped for what he's doing but that's because what he's doing in the ring is actually worthy of such praise. His skill level is off the charts. He displays brilliant offence whilst simultaneously also displaying brilliant defence (the first six rounds against Teofimo aside), effortlessly blending the two together whilst making it look beautiful, almost poetic even. They don't call him The Matrix for no reason and he's got a unique style too, something different to what we're used to seeing.

    He was panned for his performance in the first six rounds of the Teofimo fight despite the fact it was the only time I've ever seen him not be aggressive amateur or pro and he was facing a much bigger and heavier super athletically gifted high skill fast handed murderous puncher with dynamite in either hand.

    Career 140 Josh Taylor was bigger than Teofimo but even he went into his shell and looked intimidated by Teofimo's speed, power, and skills,
     
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  8. steviebruno

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    "The pads were HARMLESS".

    LOL

    What pads, CJ?
     
  9. C.J.

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    Get lost you clown you aren't worth my time. Don't post to me again No time for trolls
     
  10. hoopsman

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    Good observation. Over the course of the fight, Lopez's power and particularly his quick trigger absolutely had a restraining effect on Taylor's offense. Lomachenko, conversely, increased his output in the latter half of the fight and had Teo backing up at times. And yet there are still morons on here who insist that Lomachenko lacks "heart" and "bottled it" against Lopez.
     
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  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think he bottled it I just think hes made a few tactical errors throughout his career that has cost him some decisions.
     
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  12. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Solid take.

    In the Salido fight, I think he was overly cautious early on in an understandable (it was his first 12 round fight) if ultimately misguided effort to conserve energy leading into the latter rounds.

    Alternatively, in the Lopez bout, I think it took Loma considerably longer adjusting/acclimating to Lopez's combination of size, speed, and power then he no doubt would have liked. It's conceivable that Loma's shoulder injury may have played a secondary role as well. Regardless, the end result was a deserved "L."

    Incidentally Lopez's size, speed, and power will handcuff a lot of fighters when he's dialed in.
     
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  13. steviebruno

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    What kinds of hand wrap padding are allowable under the rules governing the sport, CJ?

    I'm not going anywhere. Please take your time.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks

    Yeah, the fact that Teofimo was not only much bigger and heavier, with a significantly longer reach, elite level skills, and super athletic, explosive and powerful was bad enough but he's also really fast too. It's very rare you'll ever face someone who possesses all those attributes who also is much bigger than you, let alone in their backyard.

    Has Crawford ever faced someone who possesses all those attributes whilst holding those kind of physical advantages over him?

    What about Inoue, Usyk, Clenelo, Bivol, Shakur, Haney, Twink, Beterbiev, Spence, or Teofimo? I'm racking my brains but I can't think of one opponent between them. AJ for Usyk is the nearest I can think of but it's still not close. Tefimo is almost if not as fast as Loma.


    Also, what a lot of people fail to take into consideration is Loma turned pro much later than many of these multiple weight champs and 135 would not be his third division had he turned pro much younger or at the same age many of them did. It would be at least his sixth with 24 hour weigh ins and Teofimo was not a 135 pounder. Loma looked healthy on the scales down at 126, Teofimo looked like the living dead on them at 135 and Haney looked like the living dead who died of starvation. Loma is completely maxed out at 135 and almost all these fighters he's fought are not only a much/way heavier but also have significantly longer or huge reach advantages too.
     
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  15. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Totally agree solid post.