If Usyk beats Fury and...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jacques81, Nov 18, 2023.


Usyk Top 10

  1. Yes

    25 vote(s)
    55.6%

  2. No

    4 vote(s)
    8.9%

  3. No, but top 15

    9 vote(s)
    20.0%

  4. No, but top 20

    7 vote(s)
    15.6%
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  1. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    (If this has been posted already, please delete..)

    Takes out another 2 top fighters like Wilder, Zhang, Hrgovic, does he crack the Top 10 ATG at HW and retired undefeated, CW, HW champ?

    I don't know on this one so I'm seriously asking

    Cheers!
     
    Jacques81, Nov 18, 2023
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  2. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    Usyk is obviously a great fighter and head to head he would be a challenge for anyone. I put him in in the top 15 because, even with a win over Usyk and two contenders he just hasn't fought enough at heavyweight to crack the top 10.
     
    Fogger, Nov 18, 2023
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  3. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    If Usyk beats Fury then he is a demi god
     
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  4. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    If he really gets undisputed and then clears the division of the most dangerous opponents like wilder , zhang etc he easily enters top 10 atg and he would deserve it .

    He would be the second after holyfield to reach and the first to retire from such a legacy undefeated .
     
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  5. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Irresistibly tempting Full Member

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    Top 10 at Heavyweight specifically is a stretch, he wouldn't have the depth for it, he would only have a mere 5 ranked fighters on his HW resume, in a historically subpar era. Almost all ATG top 10 worthy Heavies also just straight up have beaten overall better, or as equally good opponents as Fury and AJ, and if they don't, they make up for it with depth. He could make a case for top 20, however. He would be the best of his era bar none though, both Pound for Pound and at Heavyweight.
     
    Ioakeim Tzortzakis, Nov 18, 2023
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  6. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    I don’t think so, no. His resume simply can’t be deep enough as he only stepped up to the heavies at 32.

    Strangely enough, while he wouldn’t crack the top 10 HWs he would make my top 10 ATG of the sport however when looking at his combined resume at CW and HW plus his Olympic gold medal.
     
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  7. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fascinating take there! Top 10 P4P but not HW..
     
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  8. JohnJax

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    Think he is the top CW of all time, but he couldn't make the top 10 HW due to lack of time and opponents
     
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  9. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unless you are actually considering who you would be putting Usyk ahead of, this is just a numbers guessing game.
     
    like a boss, Nov 18, 2023
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  10. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For me yes, but I am ok with lower AT HEAVY BUT A TOP GUY PFP, or an asterix by the ranking.

    -He will be the undefeated, first unified champ of the four-belt era. BUT...
    -A lot of his legacy will be at cruiser. BUT...
    -With the 200 limit and rehydration clauses, today's cruisers are actually massive heavies by yesterday's standards. But...
    -He is small by today's standards. But...
    - Same height and reach as Ali, and fights heavier at heavyweight. But...

    And on, and on, and on. Make of it what you will.
     
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  11. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yup
     
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  12. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would have to make the list out to so who he might edge out of top 10. I think most people have Wlad in top 10.
    People that must be in to 10..

    Ali
    Foreman
    Marciano
    Frazier
    Lewis
    Louis

    That's 6......

    Rest are really fair game.
     
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  13. BeantownAll

    BeantownAll Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Usyk beats Fury we'll have to consider what version of Fury he actually beat.
     
    BeantownAll, Nov 18, 2023
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  14. Jacques81

    Jacques81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't start with that. He's not 38 or something.

    It'll be Fury's fault he comes in at 300 lbs and trained on pies and pints
     
    Jacques81, Nov 18, 2023
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  15. drenlou

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    Id say top 15-20. Beating Fury is a big deal though.
     
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