Are Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua broken men?

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The "worst blokes" of those listed probably being Douglas/Holyfield victim Mike Tyson and Frazier/Norton victim Ali if you do a bit of digging around.
     
  2. MorvidusStyle

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    joshua is a typical thug, a bully-type who lost his nerve once he got beat up. He's mentally weak and it's up to the opponent to hang in there long enough to make him crumble. Wallin has a chance at that.

    Fury is an indulgent degenerate, but has yet to be found lacking in heart/determination once in the ring. I expect no different in the Usyk fight, whatever happens.
     
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  3. humbug

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    Broken men? That kind of statement sounds like you're referring to a survivor of a POW camp.

    One's on the verge of becoming an undisputed heavyweight world champion, the other is a match or two off becoming a three time heavyweight world champion. Both are probably worth over $150 million dollars.

    What's your definition of a non-broken man if you don't mind me asking?
     
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  4. Serge

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    Usyk broke both of them. To AJ's credit he was actually broken after sharing a ring with Usyk twice, whereas, conversely, the mere thought of having to share a ring with Usyk reduced Belly into a gibbering nervous wreck even before Usyk had fought AJ once and it took a year of intense shaming and ridicule by the entire boxing world, Usyk looking ''vulnerable'' in his last fight, and all the money in Saudi to entice Belly out of his electrified state of the art Cossack-proof giant chicken coop to finally man up to take a challenge AJ took twice at the drop of a hat.

    The reason Belly arguably lost to a stiff as a statue and slow as a snail 0-0-0 rank novice dosser last time out had a lot to do with the nerves he was felling due to the fact Usyk was sitting ringside only a few feet away from him.
     
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  5. humbug

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    None of them are broken...not even Usyk even though he got ko'd from a belt shot.
     
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  6. Serge

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    Broken mentally, physically and spiritually

    In order to recognize the telltale signs it helps if you actually have extensive experience breaking men mentally, physically and spiritually which I happen to


    Low blow, pal
     
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  7. Deew

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    Interesting conjecture and may or may not be too far from the mark

    But as all we can do is speculate; I will speculate as I have done before about Fury, that he may well be sandbagging on an epic scale

    Hopefully we find out in Feb, and no BS derails it
     
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  8. humbug

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    I know telltale signs of a broken man, I hire and release men in a business sense on a regular basis. None of the men I mentioned are broken.

    I saw a man today sleeping on concrete in the middle of the day, I consider him to be broken.
     
  9. Serge

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    AJ had a massive nervous meltdown in the ring after loss #2, culminating in him hurling Usyk's belts out of the ring and trying to instigate a fight with Usyk's much older and much smaller trainer for no goddamn reason and then he burst into tears at the post-fight presser. That's how badly those defeats affected him.

    Belly has been acting very weird and jittery for years whenever Usyk's name gets mentioned. If Usyk was his size and he was Usyk's there's not a goddamn fan on the planet who would doubt he was absolutely petrified of stepping foot into a ring with Usyk given his very strange behavior and reluctance to go anywhere near Usyk.
     
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  10. Serge

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    There's different types and levels of broken

    A fighter being broken is different

    Confidence is everything in the arena of combat
     
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  11. humbug

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    Boxing is a two horse race, one should win and one should lose.

    Fury and Joshua are not broken men I assure you, winning is on the top of their agenda. There’s too many good men surrounding them. Especially Fury, he’s never lost and he knows where he went wrong with Ngannou, he’ll double down when it comes to the match with Usyk.
     
  12. Serge

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    Boxing is indeed a two horse race but Usyk is not a horse he's a cat, a cat who plays with and tortures horses like they're mice

    I've no doubt winning is still top of their agenda but the cracks have already formed and you just have to attack them to open them up more

    I know we will see a much better Belly against Usyk than we saw against Ngannou. He didn't fear Ngannou at all and he was lulled into a false sense of security by his terrible pad work cunning ruse and Ngannou had the element of surprise on him
     
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    “Usyk is not a horse he's a cat, a cat who plays with and tortures horses like they're mice”

    There hasn’t been one match he fought like that at heavyweight, all of his fights at heavyweight he struggled bar Witherspoon.
     
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    Here's some unseen Usyk footage for the connoisseurs
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  15. Serge

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    Completely untrue and I was more alluding to the mental battle

    He whooped AJ's ass even though he'd been very inactive going to the first fight and distracted by the war in his homeland for the rematch

    Broken

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    He made Dubois quit when he switched gears and turned up the heat

    No one has ever played with or broken Chisora. Knocked him out and stopped him, yes. But played with him or broken him? Never. He's Teflon
     
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