Chisora’s résumé

He's a journeyman at this point sure but he's been a contender, whereas Puritty was a journeyman his whole career and beat Wlad. That would put him above Chisora in the journeyman stakes if 2x title challenger Chisora had been a career journeyman.

 

So if Chisora had 10 losses and a few more subjective SD wins instead of subjective SD losses it's "old-school"? Utter rubbish as usual.

 

He would have been a mainstay of the top 10 had the politics been in his favour, or at least not against him.

"I think he would have beaten most of the names on Wilder’s resume."

He beat Scott, Szpilka and Washington and the vast majority had him beating Helenius so yeah. He'd have beaten Duhaupas and Arreola too in wars but Stiverne 1 would have been stylistically bad for him, I could see Chisora getting Arreola'd by a quicker-handed powerful counter puncher. Ortiz was also all wrong for him, as Chisora admitted. He'd probably have six losses against Wilder's list, four by stoppage. Could be seven losses post-Wilder-Parker.

I don't think Joshua's opponents, barring Usyk and Wlad, are clearly above the level of a prime Chisora though and even there Chisora was fairly competitive against Usyk and V. Klitschko. Compare how Povetkin did against Takam and Price to Chisora. Povetkin-Chisora would be war and Povetkin didn't perform so well against roughhouse fighters. He also couldn't depend on a hail mary uppercut starching Chisora as Chisora had a much stronger chin than Whyte. Chisora's fights with Whyte and Parker were wars that heavily depended on officiating.

 

"If Demetrice King cleaned out Stiverne, I would have backed Chisora too."

Stiverne blew hot and cold, he also drew with a journeyman early in his career. Based on those performances he had no chance against top 10 ranked Arreola (indeed, Arreola was heavily favoured to beat him in fight 1 and only a slight underdog in fight 2). Yet he schooled Arreola in fight 1 and KO'd him in 6 in fight 2. Stiverne was also a good amateur who beat Price and Helenius. And he showed an excellent chin, heart and decent stamina in going the distance with Wilder. The Stiverne from Wilder 1 was a bad matchup for Chisora stylistically and would have likely beaten him in my opinion.

"(arguably 6 on Stiverne 1)."

I agree.

"If you look at Joshua's resume you have Whyte, Wlad, Parker, Ruiz, Usyk twice, and Pulev, all of whom would beat Chisora."

Depends a lot on judging, if there are neutral officials (that includes referees: see Whyte 2) then Chisora's chances increase. Parker may or may not beat Chisora but I had him losing their first fight. Ditto Whyte. Pulev would beat Chisora in Germany or Bulgaria but may well lose to him in London. Hard to say for 39 Povetkin and Ruiz x2. 41 Wlad and Usyk x2 would beat him, though not in easy fights.

"Wilder's in far fewer fights"

Having fewer fights than Wilder is not a feather in Joshua's cap. We don't know what both men will have achieved by the time they finish their careers. Joshua may be closer to the end than Wilder for all we know.

 

Wilder fought a Stiverne who was coming off his two best career wins, who was a titlist and determined to win. That's the Stiverne who Chisora would have fought, not the one who lost/drew with journeymen. Stiverne's KO of Arreola in 6 was far more impressive than any Whyte KO barring Chisora 2 and Stiverne gave pressure fighter Arreola a boxing lesson in fight 1. Chisora's best stoppage win was Takam, who swarmed all over him and took too many punches. His KO/KD record vs his better opponents is terrible and Stiverne was far more stylistically similar to Haye and Whyte than Takam.

It depends how much grabbing you permit. In Britain the ref favoured Chisora, in Germany Pulev. Who wins depends on officiating as we saw. Has Ruiz fought any pressure fighters? 40+ Arreola gave him a good fight but that was on the backfoot. 284 lbs untrained Ruiz wouldn't have beaten Chisora and even Ruiz from fight 1 couldn't get the better of Parker, who I thought Chisora beat. Chisora also did a better job on Kevin than Ruiz did. Povetkin was 39 and got taken out by Joshua in 7. He was likely fitter and more durable in the days when 210 lbs Huck was roughing him up and going 50-50 over 12. Povetkin's KO record at the time was poor: he only stopped one opponent (Price in a war) in a six fight stretch. Barring Usyk (who Chisora gave a good fight) and 41 Wlad (whose brother Chisora gave a good fight at 40), it's all Chisora-level more or less.

"he’s achieved much more"

If you ignore that he got beaten up and made to quit by Ruiz and soundly outboxed twice by Usyk. Also ignore that Wilder competed in the era-defining trilogy with Fury and gave a better account of himself than Joshua did in his losses, also getting a draw. As far as the HoF stakes go, Wilder's ahead of Joshua as it stands.

Joshua

1-3 (Wlad, Ruiz, Usyk x2)

Wilder

0-2-1 (Fury x3)