Fitzsimmons v Ruhlin Was Not Filmed.

I had a bet on here years ago with Mendoza about whether the Fitzsimmons v Ruhlin fight was filmed.I said it wasnt and that the camera failed to work.This was confirmed by Adam Pollack.Gilbert Odd ,and Ted Spoon.
Mendoza said as they made a re enactment that counted as the fight being filmed and reneged on the bet.
I've been in Paris for 4 days ,so I have only just seen his post on another forum, where he is Dr Z.
These are fights he says were filmed and that this was confirmed by Steve Compton aka Klompton.
Here is the list Dr Z says were filmed but are now lost.He attaches Steve Compton's name to them as confirmation,anyone have any info on the Fitz v Ruhlin fight being filmed?


"Here are fights that were confirmed to have been filmed, but are just lost now:"

Battling Nelson Vs Terry McGovern
Benny Bass Vs Harry Blitman
Benny Bass Vs Red Chapman
Billy Conn Vs. Tony Zale
Billy Papke Vs Georges Bernard
Billy Wells Vs Bandsman Blake
Bob Fitzsimmons Vs Gus Ruhlin
Bob Fitzsimmons Vs Jack O'Brien
Danny Frush Vs Johnny Kilbane
Eddie McGoorty Vs Dave Smith
Fernand Quendreux Vs Astier
Frank Klaus Vs Marcel Moreau
Frank Moran Vs Billy Wells
Frankie Genaro Vs Bushy Graham
Fred Fulton Vs Carl Morris
Fred Fulton Vs Charlie Weinert
Freddie Welsh Vs Jack Daniels
Freddie Welsh Vs Willie Ritchie
Georges Carpentier Vs Billy Wells
Georges Carpentier Vs George Gunther
Georges Carpentier Vs Gunboat Smith
Georges Carpentier Vs Jim Sullivan
Georges Carpentier Vs Joe Jeanette
Gunboat Smith Vs Arthur Pelkey
Gunner Moir Vs Tiger Smith Harry Greb Vs Mickey Walker Harry Greb Vs Ted Moore Harry Greb Vs Tommy Gibbons 4 (Jack Dempsey called Greb's performance the most impressive he's ever seen) Harry Wills Vs Jack Sharkey
Henry Armstrong Vs. Lew Jenkins
Hughie Mehegen Vs Matt Wells
Jack Dempsey Vs Fred Fulton
Jack Dempsey Vs Carl Morris Jack Dempsey Vs Harry Greb (sparring) Jack Dempsey Vs Tommy Loughran (sparring) Jack Johnson exhibition while in prison
Jack Johnson Vs Bob Roper
Jack Sharkey Vs. Jimmy Maloney 2
Jim Coffey Vs Jim Flynn
Jim Corbett Vs Jim Jeffries
Jim Corbett Vs Kid McCoy (not sure if this is the staged fight they did before a back drop or the real one)
Jim Jeffries Vs Bob Fitzsimmons (The lighting was too bad to make the film commercially successful)
Jimmy Britt Vs Johnny Summers
Jimmy Slattery Vs Jack Lynch
Joe Bonds Vs Dick O'Brien
Joe Louis Vs Lou Nova
Johnny Kilbane Vs George Chaney
Johnny Risko Vs Victorio Campollo
Kid McCoy Vs Peter Maher
Luis Firpo Vs Sailor Maxted
Luis Firpo Vs Jack McAuliffe
Marcel Cerdan Vs. Holman Williams
Mickey Walker Vs Dave Shade
Mike Gibbons Vs Soldier Bartfield
Mike Gibbons Vs Young Ahearn
Packey McFarland Vs Matt Wells
Paul Berlenbach Vs Mike McTigue
Paul Berlenbach Vs Young Stribling
Pedlar Palmer Vs Dick Burge
Pete Latzo Vs Joe Dundee
Ray Bronson Vs Sid Sullivan
Rocky Kansas Vs Jimmy Goodrich
Saint Didier Vs Joe Gans (not that Joe Gans)
Ruby Goldstein Vs Tony Vaccarelli
Sam Langford Vs Iron Hague
Sam Langford Vs Jack Lester
Sam Langford Vs Sam McVea Paris 1911
Sam Langford Vs Sam McVea Sydney 1912
Stanislaus Loayza Vs Phil McGraw
Ted Kid Lewis Vs Marcel Thomas
Terry McGovern Vs George Dixon
Tiger Flowers Vs Ray Neuman
Tom Heeney Vs Otto Von Porat
Tom Sharkey Vs Kid McCoy
Willie Lewis Vs Jack Costello
Young Griffo VS Battling Charles Barnett
Young Kloby Vs Eddie Shevlin 1 and 2

Source: Steve Compton, boxing historian, fight film collector and author.



>>> Some of these films have been seen in 2023 - Dr Z.
what is the story on what happened to them?

 

No one of the participants failed to give details of his flight arrival time.

 

None of the real fight was filmed,the camera refused to work..As Klompton has said S Lubin made a re -enactment with the fighters and tried to pass it off as the real thing .Ruhlin had to wear stage make up to cover up his bruises.
Jim Corbett had been Ruhlin's second but had returned to San Francisco and refused to participate in the sham fight.
When it was noticed that Corbett was not in the corner for the re-enactment the game was up.

Fitz had given Ruhlin a bad beating and Gus was not allowed to leave the arena [MSG] until the next afternoon.A doctor stayed with him all night,as he lapsed in and out of consciousness.
Ruhlin then went to his manager's house to recuperate.

 

No, I posted it here to get any additional feed back.If you and the other don't like it ,don't read it, and don't comment ,it isn't compulsory..Simple as.

 

I think I'm the same poster I always have been ,average.

 

I made no posts whilst in Paris and never used a pc while I was there.I asked posters on here for any input they may be able to give nothing more ,nothing less.
I don't need ammunition from anyone ,
I've always found myself more than capable of holding my own in an argument.

I didn't proclaim anything ,I said in reply to a poster saying this Forum was full of adverts that I am a VIP poster and that means I don't have to see the adverts,it certainly doesn't mean I myself am any kind of VIP. I've always thought of myself as an average poster and have always described myself as such.

The likes I mentioned to a poster on the other forum was as a response to him and BTW it wasn't Mendoza.

There is something very wrong with you. Slavering over my posts with a magnifying glass looking to pull them apart.

I'm not looking for arguments with anyone,and that includes YOU .

On the contrary it has invariably been YOU attacking ME..
Your opinion means as much to me as dog ****,so obviously I would never solicit it.
How about you stop stalking me?

Your fixation with my posts is becoming weird.
Now you are following me to another forum to read what I post there ?
Who is the obsessive one ?
Who has a sickness?
You object to me posting there and posting on the same subject here?
What have you done but quote posts from there?
I'm sorry Klompton has reamed your butt out so painfully, but take it up with him,I'm really not interested.
I don't dig you out, so why you have fixed your sights on me I don't know?
You don't like me? Fine you are entitled to you opinion.
You have nothing to contribute to the subject of the thread ie Fitz v Ruhlin you just want to have a go at me ?
Okay, fill your boots.you've had two goes on this thread alone!
Then perhaps we can give each other a miss?

 

I dont have a problem with the truth just with ---------------
Nope I never once said you shouldnt post in it,you just made that up.
I suggested you make a thread about Lamotta being ,as you put it a weight bully.That is totally different to telling you not to post on the thread that was current.
You left out me asking that poster who he was on this forum?

Me asking him to reveal who he was.Which of course he did not do.
I think I know who he is on here now though!

No.I don't go looking for arguments ,but neither do I run away form them neither on the internet or in real life.
No you are not discussing the subject of my thread in fact you haven't once referred to it. Because you are not interested in it .what you are interested in is using it as a stick to beat me with,and we both know it don't we.
I don't get on with Klompton and so would not message him,as I said before we dislike each other,as I also said, I do respect his knowledge of the sport.
You I don't respect,I find you a pedantic, nitpicking ,childish, dog in the manger rectum of a poster and thats my polite opinion ,No doubt the feeling is mutual.
Bad form? Who set you up as the etiquette policeman Mooshashi?

You are the poster copying my input from another forum and posting it here,do you have mental health problems?
Now if you like, as you seem determined to repost here what I have posted on another forum.I could copy and paste them for you and pm you with them to save you going there and bringing them here and also save others having to wade through them.

I didn't want or seek this argument ,but you were bound and determined to have it weren't you.
Well we have had it ,and as far as I'm concerned its done ,if you feel compelled to continue it do so, but be advised you will be on your own,because you are not worth getting banned over,your posts aren't worth a cup of cold dogs **** and ,well you know what follows .

End of.