Lennox Lewis ducked Chris Byrd

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He avoided a pre-prison Tyson by staying in the amateurs until he was 23, then fighting low level journeymen in his first 11 fights. Tyson had been beaten before Lewis fought 4 loss streak cruiser Ocasio and would be safely in prison before Lewis stepped up vs Ruddock at 27.
     
  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lewis didn't share your confidence, saying something like "I'd box Byrd at long range and might not knock him out if he stays safe". That's why he worried it wouldn't be "exciting".
     
  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Byrd had highly controversial decisions in all his world title fights vs Golota, Williamson = Most boring HW title fight in history, Oquendo, McCline."

    They all came after Lewis's duck of Byrd, who should have managed his career better as Lewis did.

    "People are living in a fantasy world if they think Byrd would beat Lewis."

    You'd have said the same thing about McCall and Rahman if Lewis had ducked them. Regardless of who'd have been favoured, who may or may not have won, Lewis ducked Byrd. He said the fight wouldn't have been "exciting", aka not confident of KO'ing Byrd at the very minimum, possibly would have lost.
     
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  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Byrd never fared well against tall guys with a good jab."

    Byrd gave Vitali hell and made him quit, the same Vitali who outboxed the 37 year old Lewis who ducked Byrd, who Lewis didn't rematch despite the controversy.

    Lewis never fared well against southpaws or movers. Blown-up LHW 21-7 journeyman switch hitter Greg Gorrell was his only southpaw (took Lewis 5 rounds) and Mavrovic was his most fleet-footed opponent by his own admission.

    Hence Lewis ducked awkward southpaw Byrd to fight John Ruiz victim Kirk Johnson.
     
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  5. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    A near-retirement, out of shape, ring-rust Lewis who was supposed to fight Kirk Johnson and had barely heard about Vitali before the match needed a few rounds to figure out a younger, fit, active Vitali who had been studying Lewis and preparing against him = outboxed? Lol.

    Lewis turned the tide and made Vitali look like his face was put through a meat grinder. But he was outboxed :DDDDDDD

    Others are right, you really shouldn't have been allowed back with your umpteenth DA. It's palpable you really have a hard time accepting that your disgusting tub of lard cult leader will never be mentioned in the same breath as Lewis, no matter what he does. Lewis is leagues and leagues and leagues above Fury in everything - boxing ability, resume, fame, significance, class, credibility. Deal with it.
     
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  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "A near-retirement"

    Byrd-ducker Lewis wanted at least three more fights by his own admission. Byrd-victim Vitali retired him.

    "Lewis is leagues and leagues and leagues above Fury in everything"

    Especially in getting one-punched by random bums!
     
  7. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not sure I get your point. Lewis career followed a normal trajectory, most guys fight journeyman for the first few years at pro.
     
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  8. BonoBoss

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    Byrd was on his way to losing a unanimous decision before Vitali tore his rotator cuff. He should consider himself extremely fortunate.
     
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  9. Redbeard7

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    Lewis fought Tyson post-prison, 14 years post-Spinks and avoided pre-prison Tyson. He could have turned pro much sooner (he was 10 months older than Tyson and started boxing at age 12/13) but elected to stay in the amateurs for a 2nd Olympic cycle, turn pro late at 23, fight journeymen/gatekeepers in his first 21 fights to age 27 when he fought Ruddock, bide his time. It was "good career management" or "ducking" depending on your perspective.
     
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  10. Redbeard7

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    This is just a narrative, Vitali was using both hands throughout the fight and even stood around at ringside doing interviews after rather than going to hospital with his "severe injury". Byrd took him into deep waters, broke his will and Vitali never looked for a rematch.
     
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  11. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Which is why I think Wlad’s 2000 schooling of Byrd is underrated. NOBODY ever outboxed Byrd like that.
     
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  12. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's pretty much as I see it, I don't see it as a duck though just a tricky opponent with a boxer looking at the finish line, like you say not many looked good beating Byrd.
     
  13. BonoBoss

    BonoBoss Twitchy Quickness banned Full Member

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    I think you should consider re-watching the fight if, in fact, you've even seen it.
     
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  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Amazing argument.

    People don't like Byrd's win over a quitting Vitali (who failed to put a dent in Byrd over 9 rounds, who had to deal with scorecard bias in Germany) because it makes Lewis's life and death vehemently protested A-side doctor's stoppage win look less impressive.
     
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