The case for Floyd Mayweather

He would have been if he did fight Pacquiao when it mattered and if he did fight GGG and won. And I do think he would have won a fight against GGG.

But he didn’t. So it don’t count.

People will say that sounds crazy but you got to do some crazy stuff to be considered TBE considering who came before him.

 

He beat the most world champions because there are 4+ champions in every weight class now. That stat really doesnt mean much at all.

Floyd barely got by an over the hill DLH and I think would lose versus prime DLH.

Floyd lost to JLC in 1st fight and arguably lost to Maidana in 1st fight.

Floyd an ATG and a shoe-in for Top 25 EVER. Floyd is not the best ever though lol

Floyd loses to a dozen or so WW in history but that doesnt change his place as a Top 25 EVER.

 

Should have fought Pacquiao when it really mattered

 

You've already posted this in classic a while ago, but I guess I'll answer the same way I did back then.

It's ironic how Floyd complains about the sport having too many champions today, and then goes ahead and calls himself TBE due to his record against said ''champions''. Compubox didn't even exist until 1985, it's a neophyte compared to the history of the sport, and besides, it doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

What about wins against Hall of Famers ?
What about wins against ranked fighters ?
What about wins against lineal and undisputed Champions ?
What about how good the particular guys he fought were in ATG standards ?

There are several fighters that have him beat in these departments. Some fighters have him beat in all of them.

 

Name one ATG in his prime that he beat while fighting in said ATG's best division.

 

I do think Floyd is one of the best ever, but I also think he lost to ODLH and Maidana 1. Great athlete but I felt he left a little to desire.

 

I have him at 50 or so.

 

He definitely did not lose to ODLH unless you count flurries that hit thin air.

 

What other fighter in history has been held to the level that Floyd is held to?

He started at 130 and at his biggest got in the ring around 150, but because he didnt beat GGG at 160, he somehow is a mark against him.

Also, considering that Pacquiao was beating top level guys at 147 years after Floyd beat him, I think that win counts just fine.

 

Pacquiao is an ATG ;evel fighter at 147, and despite what revisionists say, was at or near his peak when Floyd beat him.

Floyd fought him in May 2015.

He was coming off winning every second against an unbeaten Algieri who he dropped about 6 times, before that he had wins over Bradley and Rios.

The rest of Pacquiaos career after Floyd was

April 2016. Beats Bradley

Nov 2016. Beats Vargas

Jul 2017. Loses a massively debatable decision to Horn

Jul 2018. Beats Matthyse

Jan 2019. Beats Broner

July 2019. Beats Thurman

Aug 2021. Loses to Ugas.

What years exact was his "prime"?

 

It was offered. Pac backed down. Afraid of needles. Refused testing. Dirty as they come.

 

Well Roberto Duran turned pro at 119 lbs and ended up fighting Marvin Hagler...

 

Pacman wasn't at his peak. He probably wasn't at his peak in that fight even in that small period of 2014-2016.

 

I think the truth is often in the middle. Arum didn’t want it. I don’t think Floyd did - he had a lot more to lose than Pacquiao