Who has the greater legacy, Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder?

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Greater legacy, AJ or Wilder?

  1. Deontay Wilder

  2. Anthony Joshua

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  1. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Yep. It’s a fantastic sentence, as it contains two ridiculous claims in just a few words. Fury as an ATG, lol, and Fury now being in his prime in the first Wilder fight while ever since then all we heard was the only reason he didn’t win was because he was still rusty and just building his career back up.

    Hilarious stuff, it’s my personal title on my avatar from now on.
     
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  2. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His legacy took a heavy hit in that terrible performance (and he did quit). However he still has considerably better wins than Wilder who still has a very thin resume.

    “2. "Shot" Luis Ortiz by controversial decision”

    This just sounds like salt, Ruiz won fair and square, there was 0 controversy. You massively overrate Ortiz based on one good win (which he was juiced to the gills for).
     
  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is the forum which STILL absurdly claims that Joshua has "the best resume" of any active heavyweight, which renders the majority either dishonest or moronic.

    Chisora clearly has the best "fought everyone" resume.

    Fury has the best resume in terms of wins/results and not losing, then Usyk.

    Joshua is arguably below Wilder (more losses, a disgraceful loss to Ruiz and his win over Wlad isn't as good as Wilder's draw with Fury)
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

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    That's what i'm saying people just post stuff like they're copying and pasting something off wikipedia there's never any context. It's like saying Holyfield "drew" with Lewis without any context to the controversy of the decision.

    Whilst i don't think Wilder/Fury 1 is as bad as the Lewis/Holyfield 1 draw, it was still considered a bad decision that most fans thought Fury won. And the 115-111 scorecard in favour of Wilder is one of the worst scorecards in a big Heavyweight championship fight absolute corruption at its finest.

    Not to mention Fury had not long comeback from a 3 year lay off in which he was on a drug binge and 100 pounds overweight, with only the 2 comeback fights against absolute nobodies.
     
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  5. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His career is incomparable to the likes of Fury, Wladmir, Lewis, Holyfield, Ali, Louis, Holmes, Foreman, Marciano, or Frazier. I’d rank Norton, Bowe, Vitali, and Liston as better fighters as well.
     
  6. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Last part is an objectively poor take. AJ’s win over Wlad trumps Wilder’s ‘draw’ (he lost in the minds of most observers) to an unfit and recovering Fury. When he faced a fully fit version he got starched.
     
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  7. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The fight was razor close according to fan consensus:

    https://www.eyeonthering.com/boxing/andy-ruiz-vs-luis-ortiz

    Boxrec has it 113-112 Ruiz.

    The judges had A-side Ruiz by 1-3 points.

    Ruiz wisely aged Ortiz out for 2.5 years after the fight was seriously mooted, to 43.5, still tried to fight Spong instead and he had the fortune of being the A-side.

    AJ has no legacy as Froch correctly said, Wilder has far more status/respect.
     
  8. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don’t take anyone seriously who claims that Fury in the first fight was in anyway shape or form fully fit or near his best. Wilder got exposed in that fight and while I do rate him as a fighter, he’s thrived of of facing weak opposition and being in a weak era. He would have got starched by a lot of the guys from the 90s and early 2000s.
     
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  9. Redbeard7

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    Fury schooled champ Wlad in his backyard 17 months prior to Joshua going life and death with 41 Wlad in London. Wilder's draw with Wlad-conqueror Fury is a better result.
     
  10. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cool, Wilder's still a 1st ballot HoF lock if he retires the day after beating his next opponent while Joshua is not.
     
  11. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    “Controversy 0%”

    Maybe you forgot what you said, you claimed it was controversial - it wasn’t, just a close fight.

    Stop blaming everyone but Ortiz for his weak resume and failed PED tests. He still turned down a career high payday to fight AJ.
     
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  12. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He isn’t.
     
  13. Redbeard7

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    No moron, Eyeonthering "controversy" ratings are bugged. Have a look at the scores.

    Keep swallowing Hearn's narratives, clown.
     
  14. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Except he lost and to a version of Fury coming off a 2.5 year alcohol and coke binge fuelled lay off. It simply cannot be compared. His performance in the third fight was MUCH better. Joshua's performance against Parker was also leagues and leagues beyond Wilder's 12 round schooling fanboy.
     
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  15. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Lol. Joshua has three losses against top competition because he fought everyone. Wilder was a protected champion, beating up tomato cans.

    This post alone shows you know nothing about the division’s history. Back in the seventies nobody dared to laugh at guys like Joshua who faced everyone - and got a few Ls as a result because eventually you will face a guy, not even necessarily the biggest names around, who will have your number. Back then, having a few losses against strong opponents was a respectable thing - it showed you didn’t duck others.

    Nowadays when a fake 0 loss record can be used as a marketing tool on clueless casuals, we have opinions like yours. Joshua with his twelve title fights (so far) was and always will be much more of a champion than a PED cheat, cherry picking, dishonest ducker with more kids than title fights who has been holding the WBC belt for hostage for years and had the audacity to charge the most expensive British PPV price for a Chisora trilogy then going AWOL for almost a year only to be beaten up by a boxing debutant in an exhibition.
     
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