Who has the greater legacy, Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder?

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Greater legacy, AJ or Wilder?

  1. Deontay Wilder

  2. Anthony Joshua

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    STFU about The Dosser almost beating Belly. As with the Loma hater vermin trash, you're ignoring a ton of context.

    Truth is The Dosser when in the form of his carefully manufactured and choreographed sham of a career cherrypicked an inative muscle atrophied absolute shell of Belly who hadn't fought ayone with a pulse in three years, had two warm up fights against cans, one of whom was shot to bits, the other of whom a CW who didn't even turn up to fight. They were essetially exhibiton fights and he looked terrible in both.

    We all saw what happened when the real Belly showed up for the rematch in Baptism II. He beat every single ounce of the hype out of his hype job ass on his own soil and even though he had a terrible camp for Baptism III, which entailed contracting covid and having to sleep on the hosptal floor because his newborn was gravely ill and had to be resuscitated back to life after dying, with the exception of one round where he got complacent, he beat the absolute dog crap out of him again.

    Belly is the only world champion above C - level The Dosser has ever fought and he should be 0-3 against him on his own soil.

    The other two are Stiverne who was sick and even when healthy is one of the worst HW champions of all time. And he was absolutely tailor-made for him with those lead feet, short reach, and head which is a magnet for right hands. Not to mention Stiverne has lost to virtuialy every big man he's fought who wasn't a complete can.

    And a shot beyond belief Liakhovich who was 2-4 in his last 6, 3 of those losses via KO or stoppage, both wins against janitors

    AJ would've KO'd that shell of Belly from Baptism I with ease
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Well your post agreed with me. Ring only ranked Fury above him, and Fury wasn't active. So AJ was the highest ranked HW fighter.
     
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  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Not a whole lot separating them, and the ultimate answer likely still remains in the balance. Both were inside the Top 5 for close to 8 years now, both Top 3 during most of that stretch.

    But the books aren't closed yet.
     
    Rumsfeld, Nov 27, 2023
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  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dude, you're too dumb for me to debate or argue with. You're also very new to boxing if you think delusional excuses are new.

    - Ali said Frazier got a decision against him that was based in racism

    - Foreman said he was drugged vs Ali, that a friend in the crowd distracted him etc.

    - Wlad said he "chose to lose" against Fury, claimed that he lost to Brewster due to "too much Vaseline" being applied etc.
     
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  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You claimed that Joshua was No.1 after he won his title (Martin), so if Ring rankings are criteria you accept then Joshua wasn't even top 3 among active heavyweights by the end of 2016. Which means that 2-5 defence Wilder was the best active heavyweight boxer in 2016/early 2017 at minimum.
     
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  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder's been a top 10 Ring contender since 2013, Joshua since 2015.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    No, there was never a time when Wilder was ranked as the best HW. He wasn't well regarded as a title holder. He was seen as something as a joke if you remember.

    When AJ lost, and Wilder was expected to beat Fury in the first fight you could maybe say then Wilder, but he messed that up royally by getting schooled against the worst version of Fury that's ever fought. And then crushed in the rematch.

    Had Fury never gone inactive, he'd have reigned supreme, obviously. He's a level above AJ and Wilder. And Usyk is also better than them both.

    But during Furys hiatus AJ was the best around and for that reason he'll always have a better legacy than Wilder.
     
    lufcrazy, Nov 27, 2023
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  8. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agree strongly with this, its hard to say but its an interesting debate!
     
    KINGWILDER, Nov 27, 2023
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  9. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    Both have a great legacy while both are different .
    Calling wilder a cherry picking bum or similar is childish nonsense when he was wbc world champion for years , defended the title multiple times and score 46 hw pro fights with one of the highest ko rates ever .

    Aj had also stunning achievements
     
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  10. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    Yes Im dumb and new to boxing because Im the one who think Wilder who was scared to death about fighting Povetkin will go to the ring with Mike Tyson because "he said he will kill him" xD
     
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  11. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sounds like you don't want to be debate.

    Wilder didn't just make one excuse, he made several dozen. These include: Fury had loaded gloves, Fury used egg weights, Fury was on steroids, Fury cast a gypsy spell on him, Fury hit him illegally, Fury scratched flesh out his ear, his trainer spiked his water, the referee was corrupt, his team was corrupt, his suite was too heavy, he injured his arm, his legs were hurt.

    I'm sure I've missed some here but the point stands, Wilder made a truly epic volume of excuses.
     
    KINGWILDER, Nov 27, 2023
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  12. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilder is a warrior through and through, he's got way more heart imo than AJ. His resume is weaker and he lacks wins over top contenders. A win over Parker would be a good step in the right direction to strengthening his legacy.
     
    KINGWILDER, Nov 27, 2023
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  13. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For someone who doesn't like Joshua you sure do think about him a lot......
     
    KINGWILDER, Nov 27, 2023
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  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "No, there was never a time when Wilder was ranked as the best HW"

    Using your own criteria Wilder was the highest ranked active heavyweight between Fury-Wlad and Joshua-Wlad. You can't twist your way out of it.

    "He wasn't well regarded as a title holder."

    Even at Joshua's public perceptions peak in 2018 Wilder was only a 2/1 underdog, whereas Parker was 5/1 and Povetkin was 7/1. Wilder was regarded as a considerable threat, far more dangerous than any prior Joshua opponent save Wlad.

    "AJ was the best around"

    People don't believe this anymore. Opinion on who was the best between mid-2017 and mid-2019 has changed radically in retrospect.
     
    Redbeard7, Nov 27, 2023
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  15. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    What you say is true . In fact he currently is one of the most capable current hw,s - if not the most capable .
     
    mrbigshot, Nov 27, 2023
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