Francis Ngannou ranking

Nobody questions his sporting achievements in cw , he was a remarkable boxer there and fully deserved his undisputed title .

But we are talking now only hw .

And here its a fact he has just 5 fights where only one opponent was an true achievement .

My point : when a boxer with just 5 hw fights against only one difficult opponent is put for the undisputed fight / title i see no problem to rank ngannou #10 .

 

A guy he basically as no real advantages over
And carries huge power
No leaning on him
No grabbing him
No big long elbow shots
No legs
Fury wont say his name

 

To be fair to Ngannou, he should have been a WBC as of now, but he was 100% robbed of that victory.
I don't care for Fury fanboys excuse. If you step into the ring there should be no excuses. It's your own fault what training camp you have, and how serious you have taken your opponent. This excuse just prove what a pos Fury is, and his fans trying to excuse his garbage performance and the blatant robbery that the whole world see and are laughing at Boxing now. Not just that Francis Ngannou exposed what a garbage Fury is, but he exposed the whole Boxing for the corruption, as not getting the victory in that fight.

As far as WBC ranking, eh anyone surprise ? They are the most blatant corrupt organization out there. Nothing can surprise me when it's come to them and that pos Maurcio Sulaiman.
He is on payday for the money guy. He was on Wilder manager payday, and now it's on Frank payday.

As far as Ngannou goes, he will either take absolutely no-risk fight, or high payday fight. The guy is going to get exposed by anyone with a decent skill level.

And as far as the HW division goes, it's more than stacked with very solid fighters, the problems are the corrupt organization that don't push for top 10 fighters to fight each other, and not demand their champion to fight regularly.

 

"The guy is going to get exposed by anyone with a decent skill level."

One would assume that.

How do you explain his performance against Fury? Fury looked to be in the same shape as he was against Whyte and Chisora.

 

Yes, you nailed it. And Ngannou wasn´t someone from the crowd that went there and beat Fury, it is embarassing for Fury but Ngannou boxed well, he is good at Boxing, he really is good with his hands.

 

So does that mean we get Big Bang vs Ngannou?

 

I think we are watching different sports then.
Here what i saw. Zero movement from Ngannou. Zero faints from him. Not much punches thrown. His cardio is garbage, and i knew that from his UFC days. I won't say he is slow with his hands, but he ain't fast. He is very static as well. He had a few punch selection as well. He ain't using angles, neither setting his opponents. He was just very basics. His defense ain't bad and he knows how to get out of the shots, and knows how to counter. He is also a unit with a very long reach, and unmovable object.
Fury was just pathetic, and it's just use to clinch and cheating in there, and he was allow to do that as well, but still Ngannou busted his ***, which just shows you the level of Fury for real.

If Fury is not allow to constantly cheat, hold, lean on the opponents and hit them with illegal shots, he would be in trouble in most of his matches. And to be fair it's not like he is not, and he has been ducking most live dogs in the division always.
But Boxing more so than any other fighting sports is about styles.

As far as Chisora he is super old and washed, and never was any good. One dimensional fighter. Kinda same for Whyte, but Whyte was a more dangerous opponent due to his left hook power, which is great. The problem is Whyte lost his chin, prolly in the AJ fight where he took huge damage, and since then his chin was cracked even more, and Povetkin shatter it for good.
And to be fair i wasn't impressed with Fury in neither of this fights.

 

It does seem a tad counterintuitive to suggest Ngannou would be exposed by anyone with a decent skill level when the same version of Fury handily disposed of two skilled boxers in Whyte and Chisora who both were ranked in the top 10.

“His defense ain't bad and he knows how to get out of the shots, and knows how to counter. He is also a unit with a very long reach, and unmovable object.”

I agree with that. I called it in the lead up, Fury hadn’t fought the type of boxer with that size and strength before, in fact I can’t recall any boxer to come in at 270 pounds of sheer muscle. Combine that with very good fundamentals as you pointed out and that was enough to be extremely competitive with a very talented heavyweight champion.

I don’t think Fury knew how to cope properly when he realised he literally couldn’t do anything with Ngannou. The same punches and tactics that stopped Whyte, Chisora and Wilder (all ranked in the top 10) had zero affect on Ngannou and that’s more of a testament to how much of a beast he is more so than Fury’s lack of talent or ability.

I can’t recall one single punch Fury landed that deterred Ngannou and he couldn’t do **** in the clinch. This is all due to Ngannou’s size and strength.

I’ve watched the fight a few times now and scored it a draw. Fury out landed him but Ngannou landed the more telling shots.

Now that there’s tape on Ngannou competing in a boxing match, it does seem the best approach is to stick, move, keep him at range and avoid the clinch. Easier said than done.

I’ll certainly be making an effort to tune in to watch Ngannou’s next bout if he chooses to stay in boxing, I can’t say I’d do the same for all heavyweights ranked in the top 10-15, or any other division for that matter.

 

That would be cool and i,m curious if big bang will still claim ngannou does not even has a puncher chance .

 

We Be Crooks doing stupid things? WHO would’ve guessed?

 

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If Ngannou can get through the first 6 rounds without a broken face, you gotta think he's in the fight.

 

I don't think he was - but whether that's due to poor training or Fury sliding is the question.

If you're judging Fury's shape by his loose mid-section - that isn't 100% reliable. Fury packed on a ton of weight during his two-year bender after defeating Vlad, so he's always going to be carrying around bags of loose skin around his abdomen. He'd need plastic surgery to get rid of it.

 

Well he should currently be the lineal champ so I'm ok with this

 

I know it has been debated before but i would like to start a bit of a deeper analysis of the fury-ngannou fight with you gents.

I cannot remember any sporting discipline where a newbie plug and play brought the world champion to the limit and beyond .

I do not remember anybody who first time entered a formula1 car and pushed plug and play michael schumacher or lewis hamilton to the edge , i do not remember anybody who has just put his sneakers on and was plug and play head to head with usain bolt .

I know , ngannou is not an amateur but lets be honest : fury surely did NOT forget how to box overnight even when he took thw fight too easy . And we are talking world top class level .

Did ngannou really achieved something that was never achieved before in any sporting discipline ?
Is he really such a beast of an athlete that his physical strenght levered out his obvious only basic boxing skills ?

I hope for a good exchange of opinions with you !

 

There was Bob Sapp in K1 beating Ernesto Hoost.

Brock Lesnar in UFC coming from WWE.

Verstappen in F1 at 17.

Lewis Hamilton winning the title in his second year.

Villeneuve almost winning the title in his first year. Won in the second year.

The American skeeler team transitioned to speed skating and won medals at the Olympics. I forgot what year.

Nigel Mansell won the Indycar title in his first year at Indycar.

I am sure there are more.