Who has the greater legacy, Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder?

Quite funny he deliberately ignores that by throwing a wall of text at you hoping nobody notices.

 

Redbeard has no ability, nor ambition, to try and be fair in his assessments or posts. He has his narrative he follows, and he sticks with it. There’s no critical thinking with him. It’s ALL gaslighting. Throwing several paragraphs of circumstantial, or assumed information, trying to pass as fact because he’s an online troll. That’s what they do, create confusion. Create doubt. He believes his assumptions are the closest thing to fact w/o actually proving supportive information as to how he came to his conclusions. Basically, he has his biased opinion, then looks for stuff to support it.

 

Parker out landed Ruiz 119 punches to 107 and threw over 150 more punches.

The judges scorecards were 114-114, 115-113 x2, which are pretty reasonable scorecards in a closely contested fight.

Fury out landed Wilder in 9 out of the 12 rounds, and most fans believe he won near enough every round outside of the knockdowns. Plus one judge had a corrupt scorecard of 115-111 for Wilder.

Absolutely not comparable at all.

 

I don't respond to that guy because I regard him as both unintelligent and boring.

For the record, I don't claim that Parker "didn't beat Ruiz". He did but it was highly controversial and the epitome of a "location fight". The same applies to Wilder's disputed draw with Fury. It's there whether one likes it or not, objectively part of his "resume".

 

What a dishonest crock of crap that is. You provide the Compubox punch stats for Parker-Ruiz (a fight with zero KD's) but not for Wilder-Fury 1, purely because it undermines your spurious argument.

Compubox stats had Fury outlanding Wilder 84-71, with Wilder throwing 103 more punches and scoring 2 KD's. There were 7 rounds where Fury landed just 1-2 more punches than Wilder. And had the fight been waved off in the 12th, it wouldn't even be regarded as a controversial win for Wilder. Fury also knew going in that Wilder had home, A-side and champion advantage.

 

Currently I think Joshua, but also think that Fury v Usyk might have some bearing on the matter.

If Fury dominates / kos Usyk, then that elevates Wilder's losses to Fury to an extent, and the inverse is true for AJ; if Usyk decisions or even late TKOs Fury, then AJ's losses to Usyk will be seen in a different light also.

I think it's fairly hard to argue against the fact that Joshua has generally fought the better competition than Wilder, but both came up short on their elite tests - Wilder x3 v Fury, and AJ x2 v Usyk

So from that perspective, it's almost a wash, with both of 'em being defeated multiple times against the 2 top dogs. So who ends up being the actual top dog between Fury & Usyk is a factor for me in judging Wilder & AJs resume.

Right now, I have AJ as having the best resume - and fully expect that to be underlined when/if Fury & Usyk actually get in the ring.

But if Fury surprises me and somehow dominates / stops Usyk - then taht could tips things back in Wilder's favour to me.

Obviously the upcoming fights (Wallin/Parker) will weigh heavily here as well, as I think both could be banana skins!

 

Right.

 

Wrong.

The only reason i don't reply to him or read his posts is because he's a troll that's been banned on multiple accounts, so his opinions are pretty much worthless and not worth wasting time over hence i have him on ignore.

And despite you having good boxing knowledge and i respect your opinions on alot of subjects, your opinion on Wilder also has to be taken with a grain of salt as you are a bit of fan boy it has to be said.

Ruiz/Parker was a closely contested fight with reasonable scorecards, Wilder/Fury had an outrageous scorecard of 115-111 for Wilder. And most objective fans had Wilder losing majority of the rounds outside of the knockdown rounds.

So no not comparable to me.

 

Parker landed 12 more punches than Ruiz over 12 rounds. Parker threw more punches in total (150 apparently). He won a majority decision.

Fury landed 13 more punches than Wilder over 12 rounds, but (unlike Ruiz) Wilder scored two knockdowns. WILDER also threw more punches (103 MORE) than Fury. It was a draw.

The only people blowing smoke are those that think landing one more jab a round constitutes a winning round, when the defending champion is busier every round and scoring all the knockdowns.

A draw was beyond fair (for Fury) in fight one when compared to the Parker-Ruiz fight. If Parker landed his 12 more punches, but Ruiz was the one who scored two knockdowns and threw 100 more punches than Parker, Parker would've lost.

So enough of the bull, honestly.

If Wilder throws 100 more punches than Parker in December and floors him twice, Parker isn't getting a draw. Fury's size and charisma in the ring that night with Wilder won over a lot of people. But most challengers lose those fights.

Landing basically one punch more a round, when the defending champ is busier and putting you on your back twice, usually isn't nearly good enough to lift someone's title. And it wasn't that night, either.

Everybody knows that.

 

This presupposes that we haven't *already* seen a fight between the two top dogs.

We'll probably never know that*, but theoretically it's possible that Usyk-AJ was the two top dogs... It's even theoretically possible, though IMHO much less likely, that Fury-Wilder was the two top dogs.

*Unless Usyk beats Fury and then Fury fights AJ (or Fury beats Usyk and then Usyk fights Wilder)

 

Yes he threw 150 more punches and landed more punches overall hence the judges preferred his activity in a close fight, none of the judges had suspicious scorecards 114-114, 115-113 x2.

Wilder had 2 big rounds where he scored knockdowns over Fury, and landed double the amount of punches in those rounds hence those stats are a little misleading overall.

Outside of the those big rounds Fury out landed Wilder in 9 out of the 12 rounds in a dull fight.

It doesn't matter whether the fight was for the most part boring with not alot of action, you can still win rounds with not alot of action. And for most fans Fury won the non eventful rounds as Wilder wasn't able to land anything significant in those rounds.

So you're defending the 115-111 scorecard for Wilder ? that's one of the worst scorecards ever in a controversial Heavyweight championship fight. Especially when most fans had Fury winning between 8 and 9 rounds.

Ruiz vs Parker was a highly competitive fight all the way and the judges had fair scorecards. Wilder vs Fury was not competitive in most peoples eyes outside of the knockdowns, and one judge had an awful scorecard in favour of Wilder.

So no it's comparable as i said.

 

I'm not defending anyone's individual card. It was a DRAW. A quite fair draw.

Wilder threw more punches in 11 of the 12 rounds. Judges aren't sitting there counting punches with a clicker. They're watching two behemoths a few feet from them. Fury could land one more jab in a round where Wilder threw more punches. Judges routinely score on activitiy, whether punchstat "counts" it as landing or not.

And even if Parker threw 150 more punches and landed 12 more than Ruiz (like he did), if Ruiz scored two knockdowns, Ruiz would've won by two 114-112 scores and one 113-113 card.

Wilder threw 100 more punches than Fury (according to those stats) and did score two knockdowns, and it was a draw.

Just saying Fury landed one more punch according to punchstat that round, so he wins, is nonsense.

When one guy is throwing and lot more punches, and the other is getting floored, and going back to his corner with cut foreheads and bleeding noses, judges aren't going "well, the guy who is getting bashed up landed one more jab, so the round is his."

I thought the draw was incredibly fair, given what we see in other title fights.

Keep the punchstats the same (thrown and landed) in the Parker-Ruiz fight, and Parker would've lost if Ruiz dropped him twice. And he would've lost by several points.

 

Instead of keep going back and forth i made a poll.

 

A poll. Christ. I'm trying to have a conversation WITH YOU and you start a poll to back out?

Forget it.