Choose five Wlad-victims to beat prime Joshua

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Dec 1, 2023.


Who do you take?

Poll closed Dec 15, 2023.
  1. 2000 Byrd

    48.0%
  2. McCline

    10.0%
  3. D. Williamson

    4.0%
  4. 2005 Peter

    64.0%
  5. Ibragimov

    34.0%
  6. 2008 Thompson

    16.0%
  7. Chagaev

    18.0%
  8. Haye

    62.0%
  9. Povetkin

    66.0%
  10. Pulev

    4.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    “Prime” meaning the version of Joshua who provides the hardest matchup for your choice, not necessarily “2015-2017 Joshua” or “pre-Ruiz Joshua”.

    For example, although mentally damaged and scared to engage, the 237 lbs Ruiz 2 Joshua may well be the least beatable version of Joshua for a lumbering opponent like Wach, whereas the overconfident and extremely green 245 lbs 2015 Joshua could potentially blow his gas tank trying to overwhelm the enormous, titanium chinned Pole, or get caught with a devastating single punch as Hammer did.

    *This hypothetical assumes home and A-side advantage for Joshua, as would be realistic
     
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  2. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can I vote for Brewster? And Peter was an opponent not a victim I guess?
     
  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    10 options is the forum limit unfortunately. I didn't include Brewster because he'd taken three horrific beatings in his previous five fights going into Wlad 2, he'd been dethroned by Liakhovich going into Wlad 2, his run of form in his final four fights post-Wlad 2 was poor and he offered little resistance to Wlad in the rematch.

    I don't understand the Peter part. He lost to Wlad twice but in vastly more one-sided fashion in 2010 than in 2005.
     
  4. MarkusFlorez99

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    Byrd, Peter, Haye, Povetkin all beat him

    Probably Ibragimov too
     
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  5. Redbeard7

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    I agree with at least 3/5 of your picks but I can't get the Ray Austin draw out of my head. I can't leave out Tony Thompson and there's even a case for DaVarryl Williamson, as a poor man's Wilder.
     
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  6. ForemanJab

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    I went with Peter, Povetkin, Haye, Mccline and Williamson. The first two would pressure AJ and force him to fight in close quarters where his boxing fundamentals tend to break down very quickly. I think Haye walks him into a huge right hand and finishes him off. Mccline and Williamson are live dogs that AJ might underestimate.
    I know most will pick Byrd but he always struggled with big fighters and I don’t see him being active enough to earn a decision.
     
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  7. Redbeard7

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    McCline's an interesting one because of his size (billed as 6'6, 82 inch reach, 263 lbs), decent chin (only punched to a stoppage in 10 rounds by Wlad from 1996-2009) and pretty good power (dropped Grant in seconds with one punch and stopped him, dropped Cole, dropped Briggs, stopped Shufford, stopped Boswell late, dropped Byrd, dropped Brock, dropped Peter 3x, dropped Abdusalamov in McCline's last fight). Probably an underrated pick.
     
  8. Kishnabe

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    Bryd and Povetkin.
     
  9. L.Papp

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    None of them beat Fury because he ducks them all.
     
  10. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My bad I just woke up, and I am quitting caffeine, I meant Sanders not Peter.

    Brewster knocked Wlad out though. So he actually had a win over Wlad. Maybe that doesn’t make him a total victim either.

    I think Brewster of the first Wlad fight might beat Joshua of the first Ruiz fight.

    Tony Thompson was very dangerous as well. I remember him getting totally underrated going into the Price fight. Despite having only lost twice at that point both to Wlad. Many fights. High KO rate. Big guy.
     
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  11. MorvidusStyle

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    1.Ibragimov was a skilled southpaw with some power, so that's a recipe for disaster. Ibragimov TKO.
    2.Povetkin gave him trouble even way over the hill. Povetkin KO.
    3.Peter took Wlad's power quite well, so probably eats some shots and lands his bombs. Peter KO.
    4.Chagaev is short, not a real HW, but way better than Ruiz. Chagaev TKO.
    5. Wlad. younger Wlad destroys AJ.

    Haye much faster and harder to hit, would land, good chance of KO. He was vulnerable, especially if the fight went on a bit. A roidy bodybuilder gasser like AJ. Wouldn't be confident of a Haye win.

    Pulev was hardy and tricky enough to get the UD. But the ease with which Wlad landed as Pulev stood there with his arms out was weird. If he fought like that, maybe joshie wins.

    I would also give Thompson a very good chance of taking punishment and gassing AJ enough to TKO him, like the Price II fight. He lasted a long time with Wlad in both fights.

    I don't think Byrd can do it, no power. Probably gets TKO'd.
     
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  12. Redbeard7

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  13. Redbeard7

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    I get you now. I didn't include Sanders and Brewster 1 because they were Wlad-conquerors rather than victims. And it would be a waste of a spot to include Sanders imo because he would be the 1st name on most lists and universally in the top 5.
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Honestly I am not confident enough to bet on any of them either than prime Povetkin to get the job done "for sure". That said a fair number of them have the ability to possibly beat him. For example the version of Pulev that Wlad fought was in beast mode and he forced Wlad to actually fight him in a way that he hadn't been comfortable in doing for years.
     
  15. Redbeard7

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    "Chagaev is short, not a real HW, but way better than Ruiz. Chagaev TKO."

    I don't see much evidence of that. He had way better amateur pedigree than Andy Ruiz sure but he was completely useless against Wlad and his best win was either a split decision over John Ruiz or his majority decision over Valuev. He lost to a relatively unroided Povetkin by a clear margin. Ruiz went 50-50 with Parker (who is better than the likes of Eddie Chambers, who would be 50-50 or better with Chagaev H2H), who beat Takam (who gave the more roided Povetkin a much closer fight than Chagaev while it lasted) and Hughie (who also gave Povetkin quite a bit of trouble) without much controversy, destroyed Dimitrenko (who gave Pulev and Chambers good fights several years prior), officially beat Chisora first time (who compares ok with Povetkin in the mutual opponent stakes). Ruiz is much more physically imposing than Chagaev, I think significantly more talented offensively and somehow a fair bit easier to underestimate.

    I don't have ANY confidence in Pulev. He'd surely find a way to mess things up even if he were winning the jab battle early on. I should have also specified that this hypothetical assumes home advantage for Joshua. Pulev couldn't beat Chisora by a clear margin in London in their rematch. He also lost nearly every round to Joshua when they fought, if not every round, so it's not even a Povetkin situation where you could argue that at least he was going 50-50 over several rounds before he got KO'd. Nor is Pulev getting the KO realistically.
     
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