Calzaghe or GGG who is greater

C'mon. Really ?
Calzaghe's resume looks like Ezzard Charles´s compared with the opponents Golovkin beat. Also, Calzaghe didn't get beat by Canelo twice...
Before you say anything about "oh past prime", Calzaghe had a longer career too, so any excuses should work both ways here.
Calzaghe had a longer career, he was more proven, guys that he beat where not punching bags for other opponents, like Rubio who was koed in the first round in the Hopkins vs DLH undercard by Kofi Jantuah... yet when Golovkin beat him years later people were somehow amazed, please...

No disrespect to Rubio, a honest fighter.

 

It appears that you’re not familiar with Joe’s entire career.

 

That´s it ?
Tell me the top 3 best opponents Golovkin beat, Sir ?

 

We know that GGG hasn’t got a great resume.

Personally, I also rank Joe higher.

However, I think that it’s an exaggeration to say that there’s no comparison between them.

The question is who’s greater.

So there’s a lot of factors to consider.

In terms of ability, Joe wasn’t on another level to GGG.

Yes, he has a better resume. But not by a huge amount.

GGG was robbed of a win over Canelo. Otherwise that would have been his best win.

Joe’s best win was over a 43 year old Hopkins, who he barely beat.

GGG struggled with Derev and Jacobs, but Joe struggled against Robin Reid.

It’s the wins over Lacy and Kessler that stand out for Joe. And he deserves huge credit for those wins. But at the same time, we have to acknowledge that neither of those were great fighters, and neither of them had beaten anybody noteworthy beforehand.

Joe sat on WBO belt for years, where he fought lots of guys who literally weren’t even world level opponents.

Out of his 45 opponents, I think that only about 10 of them were world level opponents.

Both fighters have weak resumes.

In terms of ability, again, you can’t say that Joe was on another level. GGG is a very skilled fighter.

So I’d say that both guys are/were great, but with Joe having the better overall wins.

 

Calzaghe was a top fighter for a much longer time than Golovkin. He was getting a win over Eubank in the early 90s or something.... 10 years later he was still beating guys like Kessler.
Golovkin was nobody until the fight with that polish fighter that I don´t remember the name of (with all due respect he was a nobody edit- I shouldn't say that, he was a honest fighter and good enough to be a pro, but just as good enough to be a good pro... a good pro like all the other pro boxers), beat some guys that nobody will know who they were, than he faced Canelo, people cried robbery which was far from the truth to say the least, then Canelo had to beat him twice and.... end of the ****ing story.

Calzaghe had a longevity that by itself makes him win this discussion, the rest... the rest makes this not comparable, to me, Calzaghe made big fights in his days, and didn't lose them, facing a prime Kessler, Hopkins and, yes, Roy, Roy was shot, he was not, he had a good performance after that against Lacy, and before anybody say anything, Golovkin fans are the first to use excuses as him being past prime or shot in the fights gainst Canelo... so convenient.

Someone like Golovkin is comparable with Sergio Martinez, Golovkin still loses the comparison, but they both had a short life in boxing´s number 1 tier in their day. Martinez 100% beat better fighters than Golovkin but anyway...
Prime Kelly Pavlik would beat Golovkin.
Quincy Taylor would beat Golovkin.

 

Calzaghe would beat both GGG and Canelo in SMW. And that gives him a little edge

 

Vic-JofreBRASIL,

Joe turned pro in 93, and he fought domestic level guys until late 97, before he fought Eubank, who’d taken the fight on 11 days notice.

For the next 10 years, he defended a lowly WBO belt. And apart from taking on the odd world level fighter here and there, he fought European level fighters, the like who you’ve classed above as being nothing more than just honest pros.

Yes, I would say that GGG was robbed of a win in their first fight. And that seems to be the consensus.

Again, the wins over Lacy and Kessler were very good.

Again, Joe’s resume is stronger and deeper.

However, GGG didn’t get the opportunities that Joe did. And Joe wasn’t in any way on a completely different level to GGG as a fighter.


Who has said that GGG was shot against Canelo?

Past his best, but not shot.


Roy Jones was shot. He’d not had a top level win in 5 years, where he didn’t even resemble the guy that he’d once been.

Pavlik-GGG would have been a good fun fight.

I don’t know that much about Taylor, but what makes you think that he’d have beaten GGG?

 

I won´t scrutinize all the details and **** because I find it a very tiresome form of debate for such a unimportant subject that is just entertainment for us. And you don't disagree that Calzaghe is above, so we are not on different pages.
The draw in the first fight was very fair to me though, all the robbery claims are overreactions because Golovkin is loved and Canelo is not well liked.

Quincy Taylor was a nice boxer with good quick explosive counters, would never be with his back against the ropes like most of the Golovkin opponens did with their hands up waiting to get hit by a combination body head... he would outpoint Golovkin. The fight would happen in the center of the ring and Taylor would move circles around him never reseting in order to take a shot or bending and closening hands in front of the face against the ropes. The opponents Golovkin beat always were perfect to him.

 

Taylor-GGG might make for an interesting thread.

 

I would, but the Classic is looking like a Golovikn forum these days, there is something like 3 threads were he is being discussed right now (which are my fault ). Btw, Quincy Taylor had power too ! He stopped Julian Jackson with one punch if my memory is any good yet!

 

Calzaghe has enough ticks in the right boxes to be considered greater.

I also think Joe just looked the superior fighter P4P.

 

close but GGG for me

 

Calzaghe and it's not particularly close for me.

Bigger, better names, some emphatic wins, great adjustments made in fight, and his O never goed.

 

He did,

 

At least you have the right guy winning.