I think Parker is going to expose/dismantle everything Wilder is, a pure business protected hypejob.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Haviton, Dec 5, 2023.


Final poll - who wins this

  1. Parker decision

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  2. Parker KO

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    12.7%

  3. Wilder KO

    100 vote(s)
    74.6%

  4. Wilder decision

    3 vote(s)
    2.2%
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  1. Haviton

    Haviton Member banned Full Member

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    • Parker CV - Joshua, Chisora, Ruiz, Whyte, Joyce, Takam, H-Fury, Kean
    • Wilder CV - Ortiz, T-Fury
    Wilder is a protected cash cow, he is a champion (ex) who never faced decent contender, it is a disgrace to boxing such a fighter, a ducker could be become champion and fight journeymen to ramp up his defences.

    People be saying Wilder is gonna KO Parker in round 1, he aint no damn glass Jaw Helenious. There is a reason WIlder refused to fight Joshua, Bakole, Joyce, Hrgovic, Zhang he cant handle them, one of them big guys is Parker aswell. You will see Wilder exposed, remember this post.

    Parker can easily take this to decision, WIlder has no contidioning against this calibre of fightrer, and if Wilder goes hard for KO, he will be finished off. The only strategy Wilder could enforce is to play Parker game, go to the decision and have judges do the work for him, if it ends up "controversial", it means Parker won.
     
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  2. SmackDaBum

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    Wilder is also old and slow nowadays with bad reaction time.
     
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  3. KINGWILDER

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    Kean and Hughie Fury are hardly world class and Parker lost to AJ, Joyce, and Whyte. Wilder hits far harder than them and went to war with Fury in their third fight (arguably the best heavyweight in the division and better than anyone Parker has fought). Deontay is the firm favourite for a reason.
     
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  4. CST80

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    The version of Ortiz that Wilder fought, KO's everyone Parker has a win over. Hell, if it weren't for the knockdowns, he'd have a win over Ruiz. Aside from AJ, the only one I might pick to beat Ortiz is Joyce, but judging by how terribly Joyce performs against southpaws, even that one is iffy. But it doesn't matter, Parker lost to Joyce.

    It's cute how you're leaving off Helenius, Breazeale, Washington, Stiverne, Arreola and Duhaupas, yet include some bum like Kean or professional journeyman like Takam, whose best win is glass jawed Tony Yoka.

    It's also cute how you don't acknowledge that Parker should've lost against Chisora the first time, did lose against AJ, Whyte and Joyce, and arguably should've lost or drawn with Ruiz, Takam and Fury.
     
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  5. Haviton

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    There is a difference, Parker fought the best and won, Wilder fought the best once and lost.
     
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  6. Haviton

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    Then why Ortiz never had great CV? If he truly was what you say, he could have been champ. Stop lying, aside from Ortiz all 40 names he has won arent worth anything, especially Helenius and Breazeale.
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I'm not lying about a goddamn thing. Ortiz stopped Jennings, something Joyce couldn't do. He stopped Allen, something Whyte couldn't do. He stopped Thompson, something only Wlad could do. He stopped Cojanu in 2, something Parker couldn't do. He stopped Flores 2 rounds quicker than Parker. He stopped Martin, something the next big thing Jared Andersen couldn't do. And he lost to Andy Ruiz, 114-111, 114-111 and 113-112. The knockdowns made the difference, then when you take into consideration that he won the rest of the rounds that he was dropped in, had he stayed on his feet, he'd have most likely beaten Ruiz, and that's a goddamn ancient version of Ortiz.

    The rest of the names I mentioned, are levels above a scrub like Kean, while Takam, Chisora and Hughie Fury, whose best win is goddamn Mariusz Wach.:lol: They aren't much better. Seriously, of that group, I'm not sure I'd pick any of them with 100% certainty to beat Helenius, Arreola or Breazeale. Or even the Duhaupas and Stiverne that Wilder fought.
     
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  8. KINGWILDER

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    Agree with a lot of what you’ve said although I think Takam is better than anyone Wilder has faced bad Fury, Ortiz, and Stiverne (1). Still, Deontay would spark him out and the version of Ortiz he beat in their first fight is better than Parker (and would beat everyone Parker has faced bar AJ and maybe Joyce).
     
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  9. KINGWILDER

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    Takam and Chisora I’d pick over pretty much anyone on Wilder’s resume, it is paper thin, but Ortiz would have stopped them. He was most likely juiced to the absolute gills for his highly impressive win over Jennings, but even without the sauce he’s got excellent ring IQ and very solid power. Ortiz was a legit top 5 heavyweight when Wilder fought him the first time and arguably still a top 10 guy the second time.

    Point being Wilder may not have the deepest of resumes but he’s shown more levels than Parker and imo will spark him out.
     
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  10. Joy_Rones

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    Wilder is hopeless as a boxer, but he brings guns to a knife fight. Can never count him out.

    That said - War Parker for the W
     
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  11. KINGWILDER

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    Why were Kean and Hughie Fury mentioned? Both guys are average and would fit perfectly on Wilder’s resume with those other guys. Ortiz did very well against Wilder the first time and sparked out Jennings who was a top 10 heavy at the time. His resume is average but he’s still an excellent boxer and it’s a very impressive win for Wilder. Ortiz tried to be champion but lost to Deontay, no shame in that.
     
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  12. KINGWILDER

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    Luis Ortiz in the first fight was better than the Ruiz or Whyte Parker fought (the latter which he lost to). Wilder beat him and gave Fury two good fights. Parker got thoroughly outboxed by AJ, stopped by Joyce, and lost to Whyte. He did beat Ruiz but this is the same guy who just struggled with a 41 year old Arreola and 43 year old Ortiz. Wilder has shown more levels than Parker and I think he’ll stop him emphatically.
     
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  13. Finkel

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    That's a very big IF. Maybe I just saw the fight very differently. Whilst Ortiz certainly made it competitive through the twelve, Ruiz never looked in trouble during that fight. And after putting Ortiz down twice in the second, it looked like Ruiz was happy to coast through the fight to the W. He never really went through the gears and yet still dropped Ortiz again in the 7th. The fight was won so no point in Ruiz pushing it and risking a knock out (he will have no doubt seen the Martin fight). Maybe he could have made the win more emphatic on the cards, but three KDs is emphatic enough. So I wish people would stop with this "he would have won" narrative. There is no way to predict how Ruiz would have fought without the two early KDs. Ortiz didn't win, he never looked like winning, and he got dropped three times for his participation.

    Hmm, Jennings being top 10 is more to do with the absolute state the division was in at the end of Klitschko's reign (mainly because Klitschko was playing whack a mole for nearly a decade) and him being an American more than his actual ability. If we look at his career in overview, Jennings lost to every top 20 fighter he faced. He was a solid pro. But his claim to fame is not taking a Golden opportunity against a listless Klitschko. He was the home fighter, the big American hope, and he just seemed happy to have the moral victory of not getting whitewashed on the cards. Beating Jennings coming off that loss in 2015 (no matter how emphatic) doesn't make anyone a "legit" top 5 heavyweight in perpetuity.

    But I agree that Ortiz was a solid fighter himself. And definitely a top 10 opponent on Wilder's resume.
     
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  14. KINGWILDER

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    True, Jennings never won a big fight and the division was an absolute shambles when he came along. He was still a decent heavy and stopping him in 7 was very impressive. Doesn’t help that Ortiz was on steroids for that fight and never looked as sharp after.
     
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  15. MrPook

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    Wilder did only go 1 round in 2 years……

    That’s exactly why Wilder should be feared.
     
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