I think Parker is going to expose/dismantle everything Wilder is, a pure business protected hypejob.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Haviton, Dec 5, 2023.


Final poll - who wins this

  1. Parker decision

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    10.4%
  2. Parker KO

    17 vote(s)
    12.7%
  3. Wilder KO

    100 vote(s)
    74.6%
  4. Wilder decision

    3 vote(s)
    2.2%
  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The hell it is. Helenius and Chisora were both 28, Helenius completed the fight with a destroyed shoulder, and even the British announces who were calling the fight were split after 12 who won. And it was a split decision.

    Parker fought Chisora 10 years and 10 losses later, Parker was eight years younger, and he got dropped and escaped with a more lopsided score in his favor.
     
  2. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stiverne ranked number 1….did you see the state of him in the rematch, one of the single most embarrassing title challenges I’ve ever seen. Have you seen the state of the rankings by the sanctioning bodies? Dominic Breazeale - are you serious?

    Ortiz and Fury are the only two better than Parker, the rest, no chance. Wilder’s resume is paper thin outside of those two.
     
  3. nixxter

    nixxter New Member banned Full Member

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    I did not say bum, I said bum-beating fraud. He was a manufactured paper champ and he has been protected throughout his whole career.

    He's still a top 15 fighter and I actually think he's talented and could have been a real force in the HW division if he had a different team around him.

    So I don't expect an easy win, but Parker will expose him and stop him.

    All this nonsense about Wilder being #2, beating anyone not named Tyson Fury (another hypejob), biggest puncher in history, etc. will finally be put to rest.
     
  4. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Helenius clearly lost the fight and was given a hometown decision. You mention injuries but seem to conveniently skip out the fact Ortiz had very high blood pressure for the first fight. No one is ever 100% for a fight, it’s part of the sport and fans need to stop using these as excuses.
     
  5. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The same WBA that has Charr as their number 1 contender and Jonathan Guidry at number 9? Come on, you can’t be that stupid.
     
  6. Dubblechin

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    You can repeat that to your heart's content. But, at the time, even the British announcers had it even going into the 12th round, and they split on who won the 12th. It's on film.

    And the verdict was a split decision.

    Hardly the worst decision.
     
  7. Dubblechin

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    Nobody has Parker higher than #4. Sorry. Everyone else Wilder has faced for the last eight fights was rated higher by one of the orgs. You have to go back nine fights to Washington to find someone whose highest rating was below #4.

    Take it up with them.

    Maybe if Parker had knocked out the then-#2 rated Helenius in one round, instead of going the distance with the unrated UK cruiserweight Jack Massey, Joe would be rated a little higher.
     
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  8. Dubblechin

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    Well, Parker should be able to easily KO a "fraud", as you call him.

    If he doesn't, you and Parker will have some explaining to do.

    Don't backtrack now.
     
  9. KINGWILDER

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    If you seriously think the Stiverne Wilder fought in the rematch was better than the Parker he’s about to face you know absolutely nothing about boxing and should immediately stop watching the sport.

    The organisations’ rankings mean little and are heavily influenced by favouritism/promoters. Using their rankings to suggest one fighter is better than another is stupid.
     
  10. KINGWILDER

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    I think you underrate him, he showed tremendous heart in the Fury trilogy and stopped Ortiz twice. Yes his resume is thin but his power, speed, and heart alone are enough to put him above any other heavyweight bar Usyk and Fury for me. I don’t think he’s manufactured as well, he got unlucky with his fight with Povetkin who popped dirty, Ortiz later popped dirty, and the AJ fight never happened (which imo was down to both teams). He also stops guys far quicker than anyone else and his ability to set up the right hand is severely underrated.
     
  11. Dubblechin

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    Can you read? I said for what it's worth, Joseph Parker is the lowest-rated contender (according to the four sanctioning bodies) Deontay Wilder has faced since he fought Gerald Washington back in 2017.

    And then I listed their ratings at the time Wilder faced them.

    Parker is rated lower than all of them. Just an interesting tidbit.

    Fact is (going back to my last post about Parker-Massey and Wilder-Helenius), if Parker had knocked out the #2-rated Helenius in one round late last year (instead of fighting the likes of Massey around that time), it would've been the most spectacular win of Parker's career.

    Other than slogging to a bunch of decisions against the likes of Hughie, Cojanu, Massey, Fa, Takam and the like, Parker doesn't have any spectacular KOs over anyone who is rated by anyone.

    Parker stopping Helenius (coming off those wins over Kownacki) in one round would've been the most spectacular win of Joe's whole career. And Helenius is nearly 40 years old, compared to Parker, who is just 31.

    I don't even know if Parker beats Helenius.

    Parker has a lot of question marks. He may not last any longer than Stiverne, Helenius or Breazeale.

    Have to wait and see.
     
  12. nixxter

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    Wilder is a hypejob and a protected fraud as he's not beaten a single legit top fighter and has been fed bums and D & C level cans his entire career.

    Parker is not a puncher and he himself is a top 15 fighter, so as I said I don't expect it to be a walk in the park. But he will definitely KO Wilder and expose him for the fraud he is.

    The Bronze Bomber will be renamed to the Bronze Bambi after this fight.
     
  13. Kiwi Casual

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    Ratings don't mean much when WBC had Wilder ranked #1 contender after a brutal KO loss
     
  14. Nopporn

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    Wilder has not fought anyone for over a year so he will surely have a ring rust. Parker will have a good chance to kick his ass and shut his mouth. I just wanna know when they both are going to fight each other. Have they both signed the contract yet?
     
  15. UnleashtheFURY

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    Hard to have any faith in Parker at this stage. He has the tools to beat Wilder but will probably find a way to screw it up.