Deontay Wilder vs Wladmir Klitschko?

sammy peter, who was a great puncher couldnt ko wlad so i dont think wilder could. not a lot would one shot him, you need to hurt him and keep the momentum and action high because otherwise he'll go right back to jabbing and clinching quite quickly. his recuperative powers late on are definitely underrated

 

I,m talking about wlad,s glass chin - best visible in fights against sanders and brewster .

In both cases wlad dominated the fight but completely lost control and tumbled to a loss after being hit on the chin .

People forget : Wlad lost to fury and joshua - so there is reason to believe he would loose also against wilder .

 

I would humbly submit that he in no way "dominated" Sanders.

Sanders had a punch that was simply too fast, powerful and unorthodox for Wlad to deal with easily.

 

Off course Wilder can K.O Wladimir. He probably can K.O. anybody if he land perfect but ppl who think this is most realistic scenario forget that Wlad also was massive puncher and Fury who is not close to Klitschko punching power wobbled Wilder pretty easy.

Like user BCS8 write above Wlad understand distance fight perfect. He work with jab again and again (and this jab destroy You), and this was not only offensive weapon but also often way to destroy opponent attack.

Wlad also often fighting with big opponent start agresive way to land good shoot first (not count Fury fight because it goes wrong for him from begining) to steal opponents confident.

Im pretty sure that he will be land first and avoid dangerous right hand better than Wilder his punch.

And for real. Wlad was master of long distance fighting. Wilder loosing rounds to Gerald Washington who was smaller dude from Football...

Also very important- Wlad was perfect in "taking space" and force opponent to go back. Fury show us what Wilder can do on back foot. He is lost like miniq when he start thinking again about Fury vs Ngannou fight.

Wlad would be win this. Not 10/10 fight but 7/10 even 8/10 is pretty realistic imo.

Vitali would kick Wilder ass probably 9/10 times. Maybe even 10/10.

 

You have a strange idea of what constitutes a glass jaw...

Look, at heavyweight you have guys who can bang seriously hard - and that means that guys with pretty good chins can get starched from time to time if they're easy to hit, or if they have enough fights against decent level fighters who can bang.

There are guys with pretty good chins, that nobody sensible considers "glass" with multiple KO losses on their resumes - Chisora being a good example.

Wlads chin didn't define him as a fighter (in the way that, say, Joyce's chin does) but that doesn't mean it was bad - unlike Wilder, Wlad took plenty of fights against guys who were decent and could bang, it was inevitable he'd wind up on the wrong end of a few... You could say the same for Lewis, among others.

I wouldn't argue Wlad was packing granite, but to call his chin glassy is verging on DKSAB territory.

No, there isn't.

Wlad, when old and fading, lost to a guy with a way, way better resume than Wilder (even without Wlad) and the guy that didn't even need to train properly to beat Wilder up like the ginger stepchild of a rented mule...

Bear in mind we're talking about guys who can take a punch or two (neither had ever been KO'd, nor has since - Joshua's losses are one by quitting and two by points; Fury's been knocked down plenty but never KO'd) - whilst Wilder needed intervention to avoid a KO/TKO loss to Ortiz and was thoroughly battered by Fury (who, again, isn't known as a particularly heavy puncher).

In durability terms, Wilder's much more suspect than Joshua or Fury. He's also significantly less skilled than either of them - his one saving grace is power, but the styles and the ring IQ disparity make it exceptionally unlikely he'd be able to make that count with Wlad.

So, despite being clearly inferior to the two guys that beat him, somehow you think it's logical to assume that Wilder beats him, too?

Sorry, that doesn't make sense - his only chance would've been a fluke KO.

This - with heavy emphasis on the "unorthodox" bit - a world away from the telegraphed bombz that are far easier to deal with.

 

Heck, chalk up Szpilka as somewhat relevant here, too - a dude with a genuinely glassy jaw, and without the ring IQ or the power deterrent of Wlad...
And yet it took until round 9 for Wilder to finally find the KO - and that's with Szpilka taking risks knowing the deck would be stacked against him on the cards, too.

There's just no way Wilder's finding Wlads jaw with any significant power and being anything other than a fluke, IMHO.

 

There's a reason some people live on permanent ignore

Life's too short for fantasist fanboys, there's enough decent discussion to be had without wasting time on them.

 

Lol Exactly Multiple guys from Wlad’s camp confirmed that Wlad knocked Wilder the **** out TWICE in sparring. And one of the KOs was BAD. Lol! Like out cold.

 

@BubblesUK :

Look , i have the feeling that today wilder would put joshua on the canvas and honestly hearn appears to share my opinion .

Thats why my point is not be so sure in a wlad-wilder scenario when wlad lost to joshua .

But in like every hypothetical scenario nobody can say for sure .

 

Wilder has significant KO power - I've said plenty of times I'm not convinced it's goat power, but it's significant.

Then again, plenty of fighters have had plenty of power - and although yes it means they could win against top guys from time to time, it doesn't automatically put them at that level... To be at that level, you have to do it consistently.

I don't think it's necessarily unfair to put Wilder in the same sort of bracket as a Rahman or Tua - guys with big power, who could've upset even ATG's on the right day, but were never really top drawer...
If Wilder had won by KO in the first Fury fight and then #2 gone exactly it did, would it have been a world away from Rahman beating a subpar Lewis first time around before getting thoroughly dominated by the real Lewis in the rematch?

Prime, motivated Wlad definitely beats Fury - and beats either Wilder or AJ unless they get a lucky/fluke KO (which both had the power to do - unlike Fury IMHO).

The faded Wlad that lost to Fury and AJ I think would've still beaten Wilder.

Vitali is more difficult to judge - Fury would've had a chance on the cards, Joshua on the right day could've done well too...
Wilder, I'm not sure could win - Vitali had a great chin, if an out of condition Fury could take one of Wilders best and beat the count in prime Vitali would definitely have had a good chance of surviving it, and he wouldn't have been that easy to land it on either.
You have to temper all this with the fact that Vitali's resume is weaker than his brother's, and maybe he was better than I'm giving him credit for vis-a-vis AJ and Fury.

 

Okay, so you're trying to build logic on top of a feeling - that's not a good foundation.

Worse, you're comparing apples with oranges - the more shopworn, less confident and stylistically confused AJ of now (which you think Wilder beats) is not the same fighter that beat Wlad...
Even if Wilder beat current AJ, it doesn't mean he'd have beaten pre-Ruiz AJ - or that he'd have beaten Wlad, ever.


Saying that... I'm not convinced Wilder would beat Joshua even now - but when both were prime and there were belts/undisputed at stake, Wilder wanted no part of that fight.

If the risk/reward isn't worth it to Joshua now, then (IMHO) it's Wilder's fault that the fight never happened - its undeniable that it's on Wilder that it didn't happen when it was most relevant and with both in their primes (which is when it should have happened).

I'm not sure if Hearn doesn't want it now or not (maybe he's finally got fed up of trying to make it, given the repeated avoidance from Wilder's camp?) - I'm not really even convinced Wilder wants it now, either...
In truth, I've long since accepted it's not going to happen and I'm past caring given it's lost all relevance and both are past their best.