Francis Ngannou ranking

I do not think he would "destroy" ngannou . You might be right he would win but that would be by dramarically outboxing him and scoring points on the cards .

Usyk does not have the physical power to hurt ngannou .

Another possible scenario is ngannou catches usyk and knocks him out with one well placed shot .

 

Considering no one at professional or amateur level has done that I highly doubt Ngannou does. And yes Usyk would destroy him, he would absolute pepper him and win every round. He wouldn’t stop him because Ngannou is a physical monster and has absolutely no quit in him. Doesn’t mean he can come close to beating Usyk in a boxing ring.

 

Ah ok , i misunderstood you and thought you mean with 'destroy' that usyk would brutally stop ngannou .

I agree with you its likely ngannou might end up frustrated and loosing every round against usyk .

 

Look I won’t deny Ngannou did excellent against Fury and is an absolute monster. I love the guy but I just don’t think he beats the top guys, I think it really comes down to Fury not training and completely underestimating him. However Francis has a legit chance against many of the contenders based on his performance. Still it’s very hard to gauge his actual level based on one performance.

 

Yes , we urgently need to see ngannou again in the ring without the surprise effect he had against fury .

No sane person would even start to compare usyk,s and ngannou,s boxing skills because they are not comparable and usyk will outbox ngannou even with his eyes closed .

But ngannou is such a tank in taking shots that most probably usyk,s hits will have an effect only at the scorecards .

What If ngannou simply runs thru usyk,s shots to close the distance and than crushes usyk in the clinch and delivers him hard body shots on the infight ?

I assume usyk wins but would not bet my house on usyk .

 

Everybody knows who Ngannou is and everybody knows he pushed Fury close in his only fight so far. So what would be the benefit of paying to have your BoxRec rating improved?

 

Fury's just a typical lazy scheming gypsy right? He thought he'd just roll off the couch, hop outta the caravan and make millions toying with Ngannou and knocking him out in the later rounds.
Ngannou is going to have a 4 fight career in heavyweight and he's gonna make more money in that time than a lot of poor slobs that have paid their dues for 30 fights or more. He'll fight 2 super soft touches, flying a holding pattern for about a year, year and a half and then cash out in a Fury rematch and Fury will take it because he knows he can beat easier next time. I think Ngannou loses to any legitimately ranked heavyweight in the top 20. I'm really interested in seeing who he fights next.

 

You are correct, but Ngannou won't be the person paying for that. It will be promotional bodies connected to the Saudi's and that of the undisputed fight.

Do you recall when Chisora found himself at Boxrec #6 just before Fury v Chisora 3? Suddenly Frank Warren was using this to market Fury as taking on the best opponents out there, and not as it looked to many that Fury was cherry picking no hopers for big money.

Same reason here

 

Interesting, but drawing a long bow in Ngannou case IMO.

BoxRec claim they have changed their ranking algorithm recently. So Ngannou shouldn't be the only one affected by this change.

 

One example is a point. Multiple examples make a line.

Take a look at the current Boxrec rankings.
Usyk just fought Dubois.
Fury just fought Ngannou.

Without looking what is your prediction for Dubois?

Or how about, next up for the Saudis: a card headlined by Joshua v Wallin...

Looks like a pretty straight line that is forming.

 

Fair point with Dubois in particular and Joshua and Wallin.

What about Wilder though? They have delisted him - and I realize he hasn't fought for over a year - but WBA, WBC, WBO and RING all have him top 5.

 

As you said, he is automatically delisted as he hasn't fought (same with TBRB). You can't really get around that one. Be a bit too on the nose

 

That they have the 3 times recently beaten Joshua ahead of Fury is absurd.

 

Their whole rankings are absurd. They didn't used to be, but it's been many years since that was the case.

And I can take a good guess at why their algorithm has done that.

This is mainly from memory, as I don't care to investigate how things "actually" work now within the algorithm. So I'm going to treat it as a black box and look at the inputs and outputs regarding the recent changes.

Two things are interacting on Joshua/Fury placement.
1. There is a value drop off with time associated with both, wins, losses and draws. So low activity will hurt fighters.
2. In trying to rank Ngannou highly, the algorithm now gives credit for merely fighting W/L/D against a highly ranked opponent. 12 rounders better than 10, etc.

So if Ngannou can move from #584 > #25 for an SD 10 Rd. loss against then #2, Fury. Joshua is going to get a lot of points in the recalculation for his 12 Rd. S.D. loss against the #1 followed by two wins in the space of a year.

 

Agree with most of that but Joshua's two wins in the space of a year were against :

-The now #36 ranked Helenius who came into that fight not long after having been KOed inside a round by Wilder.
-The now #25 ranked Franklin who was coming in straight after a loss to Whyte.

How do those two mediocre wins suddenly rocket Joshua to #2 ? Particularly after his 3 losses.