I think Parker is going to expose/dismantle everything Wilder is, a pure business protected hypejob.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Haviton, Dec 5, 2023.


Final poll - who wins this

  1. Parker decision

    14 vote(s)
    10.4%

  2. Parker KO

    17 vote(s)
    12.7%

  3. Wilder KO

    100 vote(s)
    74.6%

  4. Wilder decision

    3 vote(s)
    2.2%
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  1. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    A bad KO loss for Parker? Time to retire.

    But I am believing for a dominant win for JP - which will rejuvenate his whole career
     
    Kiwi_in_America, Dec 7, 2023
    Kiwi_in_America, Dec 7, 2023
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  2. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Parker rockets to stardom if he can get the job done on Wilder.
     
    like a boss, Dec 7, 2023
    like a boss, Dec 7, 2023
    #182
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  3. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Ruiz dominated in that fight, had ortiz in all sorts of trouble.

    He took his foot of the gear in mid rounds, but if he hadn't he would have finished the fight in the mid rounds.

    Excellent performance by Ruiz shutting down a dangerous, experienced, slick heavyweight
     
    Aydamn, Dec 7, 2023
    Aydamn, Dec 7, 2023
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  4. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ruiz literally got battered in the last round and hurt, he was by no means in control in the last round 114-111 or 113-112 in Ruiz's favour are fair scores but he didn't dominate.
     
    iceferg, Dec 7, 2023
    iceferg, Dec 7, 2023
    #184
  5. James Hudson

    James Hudson Active Member Full Member

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    Possibly even a top 20 ATG...lol
     
    James Hudson, Dec 7, 2023
    James Hudson, Dec 7, 2023
    #185
  6. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In this 12th round where "Ortiz battered Ruiz", knowing he needed a KO to win, he scored zero KDs.
    The fight was already won and lost. There will have been no doubts in the minds of the two fighters about who the winner was when that final bell sounded.

    Against a younger Ortiz, maybe, who knows. The PBC were in no rush to find out.
     
    Finkel, Dec 7, 2023
    Finkel, Dec 7, 2023
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  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    He ain't far wrong tho

    Parker has never knocked anyone of note out
     
    Wizbit1013, Dec 7, 2023
    Wizbit1013, Dec 7, 2023
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  8. TEAM_LOMA

    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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    0 chance Parker beats Wilder
     
    TEAM_LOMA, Dec 7, 2023
    TEAM_LOMA, Dec 7, 2023
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  9. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    On evidence/resume, it's probably easier to argue that Wilder isn't top 10 - he's not beaten a contender in at least 4 years (and that's being generous in regarding Ortiz as a genuine contender in #2, when it's questionable if he even was in #1).

    Realistically, they're probably both top 10, but all the theoretical matchups and personal guesses about outcomes are worthless if the fights don't happen - and almost none of them will.
     
    BubblesUK, Dec 8, 2023
    BubblesUK, Dec 8, 2023
    #189
  10. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    I mean, nor has Wilder…
     
    kiwi_boxer, Dec 8, 2023
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  11. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    With respect, you've just described 99% of Wilder's resume... That's exactly what he chooses to get in with.
     
    BubblesUK, Dec 8, 2023
    BubblesUK, Dec 8, 2023
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  12. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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    All I can hope

    Is that Parker comes in utterly determined to right every wrong and show just what he has got.

    his INTENSITY has to be Laser-like in this one
     
    Kiwi_in_America, Dec 8, 2023
    Kiwi_in_America, Dec 8, 2023
    #192
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  13. Komaster

    Komaster **** All Computers Full Member

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    In the 90s we had The Night Of Young Unbeaten Heavyweights.

    2023 we're getting The Night Of Semi-Shot To **** HW Hasbeens, Losers, Quitters, Excuse Makers and Drug Cheats, Unbeaten Euro Trash and Croatian King/Hrgovich's friend, Mark De Mori.

    Can't f'n wait.
     
    Komaster, Dec 8, 2023
    Komaster, Dec 8, 2023
    #193
  14. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    He's knocked out numerous fighters with one shot and came within half a second of sparking out Tyson Fury.

    Let's not deny the obvious reality that Wilder is a concussive puncher just to score cheap points on a message board.

    He's limited, his resume even more so, but he hits really really hard. That is obvious.
     
    Addie, Dec 8, 2023
    Addie, Dec 8, 2023
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Sorry... I missed this. You must have seen it very differently. The most common score for the fight was 114-113 Ruiz, with some scoring it for Ortiz the same way, including myself. It's one thing to be happy to coast, but it had to be obvious to Ruiz somewhere along the way that he was being comprehensively outboxed in almost every round he wasn't dropped in, with the exception of the 11th. Yet he could never quite get out of second gear, because every time he tried, Ortiz lit his ass up with straight lefts. While maybe never in trouble, I think the power of Ortiz made Ruiz apprehensive to first commit and eventually barely throw anything at all. Andy's face was swelling badly late, and he wasn't reacting all that well to the head shots Ortiz landed on him in the 12th. Also as you mentioned, he saw the Martin fight and knew the risk. So why shouldn't that factor in Ortiz's favor to you? He was scared of the power and took few risks because of that, and it's not like Ortiz was all that easy a target to land on flush. Sure, there's a way to predict how Andy would fight without the 2 early knockdowns, the same way he fought after he scored them, cautious as hell. Because 2 early knockdowns as we've seen many times, doesn't mean he fight is in the bag. Had he not scored the knockdown in the 7th. He'd have probably lost the fight. Because without that knockdown, who's to say how Ortiz would've fought 8-12.
     
    CST80, Dec 8, 2023
    CST80, Dec 8, 2023
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