Jerry Quarry did spar w George Foreman

Foreman did spar Quarry.

 

So Quarry is said to have had the better of Foreman in sparring and later Foreman faced Norton instead of Quarry, for less money.

So, yeah, it seems the breadcrumbs are pretty clear and they're pointing to what could be seen as a duck by Foreman.

 

Quarry DID have a good track record against the come forward big puncher of his day .

 

Let me clarify something for you. After Foreman won the title from Frazier, he was suppose to fight Quarry. In was in all of the Boxing Magazines and it was, at that time, the biggest money fight for Foreman. The fight never took place due to Foreman's people.

Watch the ring interview with Quarry and Clancy at the end of the Quarry-Shavers fight. Clancy (Quarry's trainer and manager at the time) ask "Where's George Foreman, we are supposed to be fighting Foreman".

You using Quarry's loss to Norton is a horrible comparison. First off Quarry, at that time, was the oldest 29 year old in the world, took the fight on 2 weeks notice, due to Bonavena pulling out of the fight, and was in terrible condition. Quarry needed the money keep his beauty Queen wife (Charlie) around.

Word was and has been for a long time Quarry roughed up George in sparring early in Foreman's career. This make sense as Quarry was notoriously hard on sparring partners.

If you can't imagine (and it seems you can't) Foreman people avoiding Quarry, watch Quarry counter punch and box silly an undefeated Ron Lyle. A knowledgeable boxing fan could how Quarry could possibly do that to Foreman. As did Foreman's people.

Would Quarry beat Foreman at that time? Likely not, but possibly could.

 

Damn straight!

 

What? Since when is a fighter not called all those things? Use your common sense there is ALWAYS a next big thing coming along.....hell Tyson being afraid of old Foreman was a thing for awhile.....oh well it didn't happen until post prison and we dam what did haplen

 

The small ring benefited Foreman but the loose ropes benefited Ali due to his defensive, counter punching+clinching tactics.

You (barely) answered one of several questions I had and you still haven't explained why Ali tried to dance in the 1st round, which wasted energy, if he planned to do the rope a dope from the beginning. Ali HIMSELF said he realized DURING the fight Foreman was too good at cornering him and that he would run out of energy taking 2-3 steps for every 1 step of Foreman so at this point you're not only arguing with multiple people and ignoring the footage, you also are disagreeing with the boxer himself. I don't even know what to say at this point.

If you believe in a fantasy world where Quarry boxed circles around Foreman (with zero credible evidence, logic, or footage), then proceeded to praise Foreman, go ahead. If you honestly think Foremans team avoided him with no proof, go ahead. If you think Quarry would've avoided brawling, avoided getting cut badly, and would've just easily put on a master class clinic outboxing Foreman for 15 rounds, go right ahead.

 

The only thing I can't imagine is Quarry easily roughing up and boxing circles around Foreman, then proceeding to praise him. Let's start with that. If you can explain the logic there we can continue.

 

Damn GCC you are a stupid man....16 ft ring was not contracted....A cripple could cut off a mover in that small of a ring.....anyone can corner anyone in a ring that small....Ali wanted a bigger ring obviously so he could move if Foremans power was too much....he did not get it but he got loose ropes...again for the comprehension impaired...the ropes absorb power and made it hard for Foreman to connect as hard. Ali could have declined to fight when he found out the ring was 16ft...he did not....he accepted it knowing he would not have much room to move.....makes perfect sense to accept a fight with a bruiser in a tiny ring doesn't it GCC??? If you don't understand how Ali getting into a tiny punchers ring at 6' 3" and GF at 6' 3 1/2" was not a sign of the ability to move being immaterial....then you don't have the knowledge of boxing to discuss the significance of all the variables involved that favors a style....you clearly can't grasp why such things as glove type, ring size and fast or slow rings, referee, weigh ins etc...are critical to fight Dynamics and favor certain fighters....what are you doing in classic? Without understanding such things you are too ignorant to understand how strategies are used by teams to mitigate the circumstances. It ain't just jabs, crosses hooks and upper cuts.

 

Too SLOW.

 

The closest thing we have to a contemporaneous account was Hugh Mcillvaney's interview of Ali the morning after the fight. He said his plan was to let George "blast his ass off" while he was still fresh. The piece is great.

“I kicked a lot of asses – not only George’s,” he said. “All those writers who said I was washed up, all those people who thought I had nothin’ left to offer but my mouth, all them that been against me from the start and waitin’ for me to get the biggest beatin’ of all times. They thought big bad George Foreman, the baddest man alive, could do it for them but they know better now.”

...

“The trick was to make him think he was the baddest man in the world and everybody had to run from him. Truth is I could have killed myself dancin’ against him. He’s too big for me to keep moving round him. I was a bit winded after doin’ it in the first round, so I said to myself: ‘Let me go to the ropes while I’m fresh, while I can handle him there without gettin’ hurt. Let him burn himself out. Let him blast his ass off and pray he keeps throwin’. Let it be a matter of who can hit who first, and that’s me.’ This was a real scientific fight, a real thinkin’ fight. For me it was. Everythin’ I did had a purpose.

...

“Were you scared when I let him punch away at me like that? It weren’t nothin’. He weren’t hittin’ no spots, no place vital where he could hurt me. I was leanin’ back over the ropes with my head out of the way and my arms was savin’ me from real damage on the body. If he’d hurt me I’d have moved. I knew what I was doin’. You know I wouldn’t go in there to let no street fighter mess me around.”

...

Coretta Clay, a small woman with the firm-boned features of the world champion’s father, abandoned herself to a high, ecstatic laugh at the door of the kitchen. “There’ll never be another like him,” she shrilled when she recovered. “He is the Alpha and the Omega.”




From the Vault: Hugh McIlvanney meets Muhammad Ali, hours after the Rumble in the Jungle | Muhammad Ali | The Guardian

I loved that man. He was sui generis.

 

Ok so if Rooney stayed and Tyson kept winning we would have seen them refuse to fight Holyfield, get happily stripped of the titles and lay in wait until someone beat Holyfield so they could feel safe enough to go for the titles again.

Sounds plausible.

 

Random points. The transitive argument doesn't really work in sports. If B beat C and A beat B it doesn't necessarily mean A can beat C. In a bigger ring Ali would have moved a bit more. I can't believe a killer like George feared Quarry regardless of what he said or didn't say. A poster said Jerry feasted on big hitters. George had more to recommend him than that.

 

Being forced to fight a mandatory is not the same thing as not taking a money fight because of the risk of losing. They didn't take a money fight with Foreman either even though the interest was there...certainly you understand the difference....certainly you understand matching a fighter to win against fighters whose style poses little threat. Certainly you saw Tyson take Razor Ruddocks smash and still beat a bigger more powerful man than Evander....you are stupid if you don't understand that Rooney did not fully understand that Holyfield was all wrong for Tyson and he knew it. Tysons parasitic team didn't care they wanted money