Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    "They gave me this injection to get stronger and faster....an injection that they give to horses....."
     
  2. Loudon

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    He played by the rules of his bogus USADA contract.

    He didn’t play by the rules set out by the NSAC though.


    Cleared?

    They weren’t faced with much of a choice though were they?


    Three weeks had passed since the fight.

    So their only choices were:

    1. Open a thorough investigation.

    2. Let it go.


    They obviously went with option 2.

    Las Vegas is the fight capital of the world.

    The fall out from this would have had catastrophic consequences for Vegas, the commission and the sport in general.


    Yes, he was never officially caught for taking PEDS. But we don’t need to hire Columbo do we.

    We both know that he took PEDS.

    You don’t have an IV in secret, with a BS and illogical excuse given, if everything is legitimate.

    Floyd was guilty.


    A superior career?

    Is an undefeated, but calculated career superior?


    Duran had no business fighting some of the guys who he fought. And I know for sure that Floyd would never have taken on fights against Hearns, Barkley and Hagler. I also doubt whether he’d have taken fights against Leonard and Benitez.
     
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  3. Loudon

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    It wasn’t Arum’s gamble.

    Floyd waited him out.

    All the evidence is there.

    You’d have to be blind not to see it.
     
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  4. Loudon

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    Nearly as good as:

    “I needed that IV because after the weigh-in I was severely dehydrated”
     
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  5. No_name_tard

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    Quote the full thing:

    "They gave me this injection to get stronger and faster....an injection that they give to horses, and I almost died. I turned red and pale at the same time. I had to do 15 rounds with Viruet that night. My strength and know-how kept me from getting knocked out."

    This one from Eleta's book for the same fight:

    "The doctors gave Roberto something before the fight that affected him a lot, trying to reduce too much weight."

    Doesn't sound like "Performance Enhancing".
     
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  6. NoNeck

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    Thank you for your clarification on No Mas's PED abuse.

    A PED is a PED, regardless of whether the perpetrator claims it failed.

    I'm reminded of a quote from Ben Ferencz: "[An] interesting phenomenon of history and psychology that very frequently the criminal comes to see himself as the victim."
     
  7. No_name_tard

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    You are judging the sports era from 50 years ago from modern standards. There were no laundry lists of banned substances back then, nor any stringent checking. Floyd was roiding even in an era where the rules were stringent, yet you turn a blind eye to that.

    Besides, what Duran claims he took sounds more like a diuretic than PED.
     
  8. NoNeck

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    They don't give horses injections of diuretics to make them stronger and faster, chief. It was anabolic steroids.

    I find it interesting that you're certain that a guy who never tested positive for any PED ever and ushered Olympic style testing into boxing was a user. But you're also creating rationalizations for admitted user.

    Very interesting.
     
  9. No_name_tard

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    Yeah, a PED that damn near killed the guy, sounds legit.
     
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  10. Loudon

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    Come on now.

    Do you seriously believe that Floyd was innocent, just on the grounds that he was never caught?

    You know that he never had weight issues.

    You know that he took that IV, but without disclosing it to anyone.

    You know both of those things.

    Don’t be naive.

    Also, if Floyd had been serious about cleaning up the sport, he’d have enrolled in random, all year around drug testing with WADA/VADA.

    Yet he instead chose USADA, an organisation who let him put what he want in the contract. A company who only caught just one fighter prior to working with Floyd. An organisation who don’t test both samples, who don’t give an in-depth analysis of their findings, and who don’t report any findings to the relevant bodies.

    USADA are a joke.

    And if you think that Floyd was desperate to clean up the sport of boxing, but only after being a pro for 13 years, then I don’t know what to tell you.
     
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  11. janitor

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    Yes but the fight woudl have meant much more five years earlier.

    We could even have had a trilogy.
     
  12. Contro

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    Duran is an absolute legend, i shudder to think what he could have done if he had not just kept in shape but added muscle with the help of "modern methods" on his way up the way JMM Pacquiao Mayweather etc did. Those guys kept all of their muscle definition while going up multiple weight classes.
    Duran was just getting fatter.
    Looked like a complete specimen up to welterweight and lost all of the hunger afterward but was just so much of a real man and legend that he managed to hold his own at 154, 160 and above anyway. While looking like an average middle aged man.

    While other greats muscled their way up in weight with S&C coaches he just got fat between fights and sweated as much off as he could bother for the payday but was still so skilled and talented that hes mentioned as one of the 4 kings despite having no business in their weight classes at all.

    I mean can you imagine a 154-160 Duran on a Vinnie Pazienza regimen? Its not like he didnt have the genetics, we saw what he could look like in shape from 135-147
     
  13. NoNeck

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    Yes.
     
  14. NoNeck

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    He literally admitted to using steroids.

    Michael Spinks bulked a lot more cleanly than him in virtually the same era.
     
  15. No_name_tard

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    Duran's physique and decline in athleticism when he moved up in weight do not hint at any steroid abuse. He was carrying flabby bellies into matches at 154/160 lbs. Compare that to Pacman's growth in physique from age 26 to age 40, it's not even comparable. Even at 147 when he was still in his prime, he was relatively slower and had a lesser work rate than at Lightweight. If he was on steroids, it wouldn't look the way it did.

    You are making things up to suit your narrative now.
     
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