Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    The discrepancies were found 37 pages ago, when it was cited that you only fixate on numbers, without ever applying any context.
     
  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Thought so.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thinking’s not your strong point.
     
  4. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    Only a mere 38 pages of pompous, Dunning -Krugeresque yammering and baiting in a whole nine months? Pffft. Mendoza would've been at this point on a Klitschko or Golovkin thread by the second day.
     
  5. NoNeck

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    Context: Roberto Duran, an admitted steroid cheat, fought some of the biggest names in the sport. However, he went 1-5 in these fights, quitting in the rematch of his only victory, and getting knocked out cold in another. The rest were unanimous decision loses.
     
  6. Loudon

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    Context:

    Floyd was a steroid cheat, who despite being one of the greatest fighters of all time, never actually fought a prime ATG in his entire career.

    In the second half of his career, he was a calculated businessman who took the right fights, at the right time, in order to minimise the risk of losing his zero.

    Floyd has no win that can top Duran’s win over Leonard.

    Duran was a guy of 5’7 with a tiny 66” reach, who was in his prime at LW, yet who went onto fight PRIME ATG fighters, at WW, JMW and MW, where he was dwarfed in size.

    Duran fought fighters who Floyd would never have fought.

    Context.

    So bend over and shove those stats/numbers right up where they belong.

    Thanks.
     
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  7. NoNeck

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    Interestingly, my post is entirely factual whereas yours is solely opinion based drivel, aside from listing Duran’s measurements which I commend you for.
     
  8. Loudon

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    I think you’ll find that almost all of my post is factual.

    If it’s not, then feel free to refute any of it.
     
  9. NoNeck

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    Let’s start with your first claim that “Floyd was a steroid cheat.”

    Provide facts, otherwise I’ll assume it’s a frivolous presumption.
     
  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Oh my.

    How many more times??


    It is a FACT that he took an IV SECRETLY in his Nevada home.

    That is a FACT.

    It is a FACT that neither he or his team notified the commission.

    It is a FACT that the IV that he took is BANNED by both VADA and WADA, as it’s a known masking agent to flush out a cycle of PEDS.

    It is a FACT that he has never had weight issues, where he was only 3.5 pounds at the 30 day weight check.

    It is a FACT that the NSAC had NO KNOWLEDGE of it until 3 weeks AFTER the fight, where they were pretty much powerless to do anything.


    Do you need the dots joining?

    Do we need to hire Columbo?

    Lance Armstrong cheated for years, but was NEVER caught, where he PASSED every test.

    Stop being an idiot.

    All the evidence is there.


    He took a banned substance, in secret, without purposely notifying the relevant parties.


    A guy goes on a shooting spree and kills 5 people.

    You: “Maybe the 5 people who were shot, just happened to get in the way of the bullets”
     
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  11. NoNeck

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    In other words, it is your opinion that he took steroids.

    Let’s move on to the second “fact.” The phrase “prime ATG” is subjective and I think Canelo obv qualifies. Not a fact.

    Let’s move to the “fact.” You stated, “In the second half of his career, he was a calculated businessman who took the right fights, at the right time, in order to minimise the risk of losing his zero.”

    You need to provide ample evidence that he somehow took these fights in order to minimize risk. Most probable, he took fights to maximize his paycheck as you yourself complemented his business acumen.
     
  12. Loudon

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    It is not my opinion that he took a banned substance in secret, without notifying the NSAC.

    That is factual information.


    Canelo wasn’t in his prime when he fought Floyd.


    The guy literally retired fighting Andre Berto.


    What’s next?

    What else have you got for me?

    You probably rate the win over Canelo, higher than Duran’s win over Leonard.
     
  13. George Crowcroft

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    @NoNeck quick question, if it were possible to magically swap Floyd and Duran, and have them face eachother's opposition, how do you think they would do?
     
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  14. NoNeck

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    You changed the goalposts from “steroids” to a disingenuous description of saline. That’s cute.

    You bypassed the matchmaking “fact” altogether. Also cute.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    Floyd sweeps everyone at 140 and lower, does significantly better than 1-5 with a forfeit, ko loss and 3 ud loses against the notable 147+ fighters. Doesn’t lose to Lawlor, Laing, Simms, etc. Quite possibly would be mediocre as a 40 something 168 pounder, but so was Duran outside of one Castro fight and Mayweather might get a surprise win over one or two of them anyway. Beats Barkley and Moore.

    Duran would be favored over everyone until Canelo. Due to inconsistencies during his prime, probably loses one of two fights along the way. Loses to Canelo as a 36 year old and Pacquiao as a drained 38 year old. Maybe splits against Maidana.